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Old 10-25-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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Here is my question for those who claim homosexuality is a sin: What is the Biblical, righteous solution for people who are gay?

The obvious response is going to be that they are required to be celibate for the rest of their lives. Yet the Bible itself (1 Corinthians 7) states that celibacy is a gift from God that clearly most people were not given. And Paul states if one doesn't have that gift and burns with passion they are to marry. But gays aren't allowed to marry either.

Not to mention it's scientifically supported that extreme loneliness (that forced celibacy inevitably leads to) causes severe depression and often suicide. That lack of love, intimacy, romance, etc. is truly destructive to both body and mind. How on Earth can that be God's will?

So what's the solution? What are gays supposed to do?

 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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No. It's a biologically innate orientation.
Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)

Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the maledirection through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nervecells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.



Nice try but your article is nothing more than a lot impressive sounding medical yark that doesn't prove anything. It certainly doesn't explain why people change their orientation or can't seem to make up their mind and label themselves as bi-sexual.

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You seem to be confusing homosexuality with a handful of obscure poorly interpreted ancient biblical verses originally referring to pagan temple prostitution or raping male strangers to dominate/humiliate them. The Bible doesn't really refer at all to homosexuality as we understand it in the 21st century.
People should not be led astray by revisionists like yourself who want to twist the scriptures into meaning something else. You do this only because Hebrew words can have multiple meanings, but logic and reason along with context can determine the true meaning. The notion that the sin of Sodom was gang rape doesn't work logically for one main reason. God already decided beforehand to judge the city. The angels were the messengers of his judgement. Why would God destroy the city for an act they had not even committed? God decided to judge this city long before the angels arrived. And that doesn't even consider the NT verses will clearly list sexual immorality as their sin. Jude 7 doesn't fit the gang rape interpretation at all. Jude 7 makes it clear that they were already engaging in a homosexual sinful lifestyle. God didn't wipe out a city for having divorce and adultry. But He did for homosexuality.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:20 PM
 
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Agreed, but I will go one step further. In the local church, all public sin must be dealt with, according to the procedures outlined in Scripture.
This is so very sad. It corrupts and negates any of the good from fellowship and turns it into a condemnation-fest. It is no way to spread agape love among Christ's followers. God does not need you or anyone else to police His children. He is not impotent. The ONLY sins YOU should concern yourself with are YOURS!
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:22 PM
 
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So tired of hearing about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, there is nothing anybody can do about that.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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Nice try but your article is nothing more than a lot impressive sounding medical yark that doesn't prove anything. It certainly doesn't explain why people change their orientation or can't seem to make up their mind and label themselves as bi-sexual.



People should not be led astray by revisionists like yourself who want to twist the scriptures into meaning something else. You do this only because Hebrew words can have multiple meanings, but logic and reason along with context can determine the true meaning. The notion that the sin of Sodom was gang rape doesn't work logically for one main reason. God already decided beforehand to judge the city. The angels were the messengers of his judgement. Why would God destroy the city for an act they had not even committed? God decided to judge this city long before the angels arrived. And that doesn't even consider the NT verses will clearly list sexual immorality as their sin. Jude 7 doesn't fit the gang rape interpretation at all. Jude 7 makes it clear that they were already engaging in a homosexual sinful lifestyle. God didn't wipe out a city for having divorce and adultry. But He did for homosexuality.
You cling to your shield of ignorance to hide from the truth.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:33 PM
 
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Agreed, but I will go one step further. In the local church, all public sin must be dealt with, according to the procedures outlined in Scripture.
Stoning?
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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Nice try but your article is nothing more than a lot impressive sounding medical yark that doesn't prove anything. It certainly doesn't explain why people change their orientation or can't seem to make up their mind and label themselves as bi-sexual.



People should not be led astray by revisionists like yourself who want to twist the scriptures into meaning something else. You do this only because Hebrew words can have multiple meanings, but logic and reason along with context can determine the true meaning. The notion that the sin of Sodom was gang rape doesn't work logically for one main reason. God already decided beforehand to judge the city. The angels were the messengers of his judgement. Why would God destroy the city for an act they had not even committed? God decided to judge this city long before the angels arrived. And that doesn't even consider the NT verses will clearly list sexual immorality as their sin. Jude 7 doesn't fit the gang rape interpretation at all. Jude 7 makes it clear that they were already engaging in a homosexual sinful lifestyle. God didn't wipe out a city for having divorce and adultry. But He did for homosexuality.
You do realize the Bible tells you the sin of Sodom was inhospitality right?
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:43 PM
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Stoning?
What does the Bible say about church discipline / excommunication?

Matt. 18

15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." -Jesus
 
Old 10-25-2014, 10:45 PM
 
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Just a adultery is and many other human acts. You cannot continue to sin and think its forgiven.
 
Old 10-25-2014, 11:00 PM
 
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Oh look, a cure for homosexuality? hahaha!
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