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Old 10-31-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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So Luke was also an imposter? How do you cut up your Bible into pieces that are true and false?
Luke followed Paul ,yes, but His recordings of what people told him about what Jesus said are other people's accounts not Paul's story. I have no problem with the gospel of Luke. What Jesus said is what is important and what the prophets before Him have said.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:31 AM
 
Location: NC
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Hi, Paul was an apostle of the Lord. The apostle Peter accepted the words of Paul, and referred to him as a beloved brother. Paul was selected by the Lord to be an apostle to the Gentiles. Many tried to distort the words of Paul, sadly.

"14) Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in
peace, spotless and blameless, (15) and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as
also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, (16) as also
in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to
understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the
Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-16 NASB)



Paul the apostle had an all-consuming passion and desire for Christ. He saw himself in Christ,
and he saw Christ in him. Through his epistles, Paul tells us that he had no life apart from Christ,
the One who appeared to him on the road to Damascus and called him to be an apostle to the
nations.


I am crucified with Christ, and no longer live, I, but Christ lives in me…. (Galatians 2:20 DNT)

These four words "Christ lives in me" pretty much sum up Paul's life.

Paul was so caught by Christ that his whole life was devoted to Him. His sole purpose was that Christ would be magnified in his body, whether through life or through death. The only life worth living is a life for Christ and a life in Christ. But it is even more than this, for life itself is Christ.As Paul tells us, the life we live once we are given the faith of the Son to believe in the Son and
His work on the cross is a life not lived for our self but for Christ. It is no longer to be an I - centered life (everything focused on self) but a Christ -centered and an all- Christ encompassing life. This does not mean that there is no longer an I in our life; it just means that our I is refocused on the Lord rather than on self.

What Did Paul Mean?


The life which I now live in the flesh, I live
by the faith of the Son of God (Galatians 2:20).

Paul loved the Lord and he served the Lord. I do not believe that he was any kind of imposter. God bless.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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This again. Christians are saved by faith. But if after coming to faith, they fall away, leave, depart etc. They lose their salvation. Here's the texts:

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Heb 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1Co 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
1Co 10:2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
1Co 10:3 They all ate the same spiritual food
1Co 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1Co 10:6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
1Co 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

1Co 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Now there it is in plain English. If you can't read that and understand it, I can't help you.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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This again. Christians are saved by faith. But if after coming to faith, they fall away, leave, depart etc. They lose their salvation. Here's the texts:

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Heb 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1Co 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
1Co 10:2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
1Co 10:3 They all ate the same spiritual food
1Co 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1Co 10:6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
1Co 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

1Co 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Now there it is in plain English. If you can't read that and understand it, I can't help you.
Those passages do not suggest that salvation can be lost. If Hebrews 6:4 was saying that salvation could be lost then it would also be saying that once the believer lost his salvation he could not be saved again.

The writer of Hebrews was urging his readers who were Jewish believers not to fall away from their grace orientation and into the legalistic practices of Judaism. The first century Jewish believers were being pressured by the Judaizers, often friends and relatives, to reject what they had learned about Christ and the cross and return to Judaism. Paul wrote about this in Galatians chapter 5 when he told his readers that if they received circumcision they would be falling from grace. That does not mean that they would be falling away from their salvation. It means that they would be rejecting the principle of grace for legalistic thinking. To fall from grace means to become legalistic. The Judaizers are spoken of in Acts 15. They were teaching that you had to be circumcised according to the law of Moses in order to be saved. The Writer of Hebrews was urging his readers in Hebrews 6:4-6 to retain their grace thinking and avoid legalism. Once a believer has been taught grace principles and is oriented in his thinking to grace but then rejects it in favor of legalism, it is very unlikely that he will return to grace thinking.


Hebrews 10:26-29 is talking about how severe divine discipline can be in time for the believer who willfully sins. The reference to fire consuming the adversaries in v. 27 has nothing to do with the lake of fire. The passage concerns divine discipline administered to the eternally saved but willfully sinning believer.


In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13 Paul is using the example of the Israelites of the Exodus generation to warn the Corinthians not to think they have it made in their spiritual lives. This does not mean that salvation can be lost. It simply means that the believer who is not careful can become a spiritual loser. He is eternally saved but as far as his spiritual life in time goes, he can be a failure. The believer is either advancing spiritually or he is retrogressing in his spiritual life.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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This again. Christians are saved by faith. But if after coming to faith, they fall away, leave, depart etc. They lose their salvation. Here's the texts:

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Heb 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1Co 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
1Co 10:2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
1Co 10:3 They all ate the same spiritual food
1Co 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1Co 10:6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
1Co 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

1Co 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Now there it is in plain English. If you can't read that and understand it, I can't help you.
Some don't want o accept it.

yes we can sin or even fall a bit, but that does not cost us our salvation, if we repent and turn back. Turning away and staying away, does.
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Old 11-02-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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It's only logical that those who believe that they are saved or become a Christian by an act of their own will would also believe they can decide they no longer believe or are a Christian. Both ideas are completely false.

It's God's sovereign grace upon a sinner that causes that person to become a Christian. Works play no part in it whatsoever. If you have even a basic understanding of the bible you would realize that if it were possible to loose one's salvation then we would ALL be lost.

It's sin that brings us under God's judgement and in God's eyes all sin deserves the judgement He pronounced to Adam at the time of the Fall. WE all sin and fall very short of the perfection demanded of us By God. WE all deserve judgement but's God's elect get instead of that mercy through God's grace.

People who decide to be a Christian and then renounce their Christianity were never a Christian in the first place. They were never regenerated in any respect.

A good starting point for many on this board would be to forget "WORKS" completely and focus instead what is available to the believer through God's Grace.
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Old 11-02-2014, 10:12 PM
 
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This again. Christians are saved by faith. But if after coming to faith, they fall away, leave, depart etc. They lose their salvation. Here's the texts:

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Heb 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1Co 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
1Co 10:2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
1Co 10:3 They all ate the same spiritual food
1Co 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1Co 10:6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
1Co 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

1Co 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Now there it is in plain English. If you can't read that and understand it, I can't help you.

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Old 11-02-2014, 10:13 PM
 
Location: UPSTATE SC
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Some don't want o accept it.

yes we can sin or even fall a bit, but that does not cost us our salvation, if we repent and turn back. Turning away and staying away, does.
This is true, and its stated so many times throughout the bible.
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