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1. God is sovereign
2. God's discipline is restorative. He
restores the victim and rehabilitates the sinner.
3. The law of jubilee.
Every man is restored to his inheritance every 50 years. All debts are
canceled. You could be redeemed from your debt note before the year of jubilee.
But jubilee limits the duration of dis-inheritance.
4. The three
feasts.
5. the pattern of the temple.
6. God limits the amount of
punishment to 40 lashes lest you demean your brother. Why then would he not
limit his discipline? The law defines God's character.
7. Rapture and
eternal damnation were not tenets of the early church. Those teachings were
inserted by men and now they are passed along without question from preacher to
preacher to preacher.
8. much much more.
Finally, I will say
to some of you that the message of the Kingdom of God and complete salvation
will not be accepted by all. That is also a fact. But that does not change the
fact that we will all benefit from the restoration of God
Actually the choice is God's. God chooses, God saves
Absolutely. It is entirely God's work and this is why no man can boast. If the second death means eternal death, then it remains an enemy and death will forever remain in the creation of God. But Jesus will abolish all rule, power, and authority, (excluding the Father's) including the power of death. God bless.
Absolutely. It is entirely God's work and this is why no man can boast. If the second death means eternal death, then it remains an enemy and death will forever remain in the creation of God. But Jesus will abolish all rule, power, and authority, (excluding the Father's) including the power of death. God bless.
Death is abolished by throwing into the lake of fire, therefore there is only "death" for them that are in the lake of fire by being separated from the presence of God. In the new earth no one will die anymore, but their is the lake of fire which is called "second death", but no one will die there nor come to life as you say. Everything in the lake of fire perishes and has no power in the creation of God, including death.
Of course eternal punishment is in the Bible . . . a poorly translated Bible.
Funny that Jesus did not say "if you do not believe that I am He, you will receive eternal punishment."
Actually the choice is God's. God chooses, God saves.
"Perish" does not ever mean "eternal loss" in the bible.
Even your YLT translation says "to the age and for ever for the Hebrew leolam vaed (Exo 15:18; Ps 9:5; 10:16; 45:17; 48:14; 52:8; etc). Jesus said what He said, it is not funny, you have to explain what death here means. God saves, that is right, but God also judge the sinner according to His laws and not yours. You have cancelled the death penalty for sin to death. You tell the sinner, do not sin, it will have serious consequences, you will be in prison for an age, which age and how long, you cannot tell, but in the end God will save you, do not worry, come to our club, you see, we all are sinners and the most important thing is that we love each other, there is no sin in love. That is your gospel, but as I said Eze 3:18+19 is on your head. Concerning the word "perish", the Hebrew root "abad" has the meaning of lost. You have to find a scripture where it says that we will not perish for ever. But I will look into the word "perish", what the bible says.
Shalom! Let God's restoration come! But that does not mean I have not to believe the bible. The rapture and eternal punishment are in the bible. Jesus says to the Jews, if you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins. There is a death penalty for sins unto death, not for all sins. The one that is thrown into the lake of fire (second death) perishes, is lost (Isa 66:22-24). But they that trust in the Lord, there is hope of eternal salvation! The choice is ours!
Zur, what is your definition of rapture? What in the Bible supports your conclusion?
I believe there is an event that the modern day church calls rapture. But that event is actually the first resurrection. Where the overcomers who died in the past are raised first. Then the overcomers who are alive at Christ's second coming (same event) will meet with Christ and return back to earth.
Perhaps the most well known passage setting forth the second coming of Christ is found in 1 Thess. 4:15-17, For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep [those who have died]. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up [Greek: harpazo] together with them in the clouds to meet [Greek: apantesis] the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Verse 15 makes it clear that Paul was focusing upon the order of events. His primary point is to show that the first event will be the resurrection of the dead. This, he says, will precede the catching up of the living ones who will meet Him in the air. Many assume, of course, that these events will occur nearly simultaneously, but the feast days of Israel show otherwise. Paul says nothing about timing in this passage, except for the very general word "then," by which he means "next."
In Paul's statement in 1 Thess. 4:15-17, he tells us that we will "meet" the Lord in the air. The Greek word used is apantesis, which means "to meet and return with (as an escort)." This Greek word is used four times in the New Testament. It is used in Matt. 25:1 and 6, where the arrival of the Bridegroom was announced and the ten virgins were told to go out "to meet" Him.
Five of them were "foolish," and had to go out to buy oil for their lamps, and when they returned to the place where they had all been waiting, the door was shut, and they were too late for the wedding. It is obvious that the wise virgins had gone out to escort the Bridegroom to the wedding and were now back where all of them had been waiting.
In other words, the Bridegroom did not come to snatch away the wise virgins and take them back to heaven with Him. Instead, they escorted Him back to the place where they had been waiting. Thus, "to meet" means to meet and return with. The other place where apantesis is used is found in Acts 28:15. Paul was being taken as a prisoner to Rome.
And the brethren, when they heard about us, came from there as far as the Market of Appius and the Three Inns TO MEET US; and when Paul saw them, he thanked God and took courage.
The story makes it clear that the believers did not go with Paul back to Jerusalem from whence he had come. Instead, the believers met Paul and escorted him back to Rome from whence they had come
Even your YLT translation says "to the age and for ever for the Hebrew leolam vaed (Exo 15:18; Ps 9:5; 10:16; 45:17; 48:14; 52:8; etc). Jesus said what He said, it is not funny, you have to explain what death here means. God saves, that is right, but God also judge the sinner according to His laws and not yours. You have cancelled the death penalty for sin to death. You tell the sinner, do not sin, it will have serious consequences, you will be in prison for an age, which age and how long, you cannot tell, but in the end God will save you, do not worry, come to our club, you see, we all are sinners and the most important thing is that we love each other, there is no sin in love. That is your gospel, but as I said Eze 3:18+19 is on your head. Concerning the word "perish", the Hebrew root "abad" has the meaning of lost. You have to find a scripture where it says that we will not perish for ever. But I will look into the word "perish", what the bible says.
Olam va ad just means "for the eon and beyond."
"The Hebrew is va-ed. As the Septuagint translates it, ‘and still,’ and as the translators have so rendered it in scores of places, we will translate it ‘beyond’ or ‘further.’ Now, if olam meant endlessness as some say it does, why reinforce it by adding ‘beyond’? Nor is this all. Further study discloses that even olam va-ed (‘for ever and ever’) does not refer to infinitude. The Psalmist says: ‘I will keep Your law continually, forever’ [i.e., ‘for the eon and beyond’; CV, Psa.119:44]. Now, as our Lord plainly indicates the passing away of the law (Matt.5:17,18), it follows that law observance is over once the law is done away." biblical studies: Eon As Indefinite Duration, Part One
Death is abolished by throwing into the lake of fire, therefore there is only "death" for them that are in the lake of fire by being separated from the presence of God. In the new earth no one will die anymore, but their is the lake of fire which is called "second death", but no one will die there nor come to life as you say. Everything in the lake of fire perishes and has no power in the creation of God, including death.
the word "Death" being thrown into the lake of fire represents those held by death. You can't really throw a figure of speech into the lake of fire. "Death" is a figure of speech here in that it represents those held by it.
Of course those in the lake of fire perish. Christ perished on the cross. They destroyed Him. He came back to life. When death is abolished AFTER all sovereignty, authority and power are done away, then those who were held by death in Revelation will come forth and God will be All in all.
Zur, what is your definition of rapture? What in the Bible supports your conclusion?
I believe there is an event that the modern day church calls rapture. But that event is actually the first resurrection. Where the overcomers who died in the past are raised first. Then the overcomers who are alive at Christ's second coming (same event) will meet with Christ and return back to earth.
Perhaps the most well known passage setting forth the second coming of Christ is found in 1 Thess. 4:15-17, For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep [those who have died]. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up [Greek: harpazo] together with them in the clouds to meet [Greek: apantesis] the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Verse 15 makes it clear that Paul was focusing upon the order of events. His primary point is to show that the first event will be the resurrection of the dead. This, he says, will precede the catching up of the living ones who will meet Him in the air. Many assume, of course, that these events will occur nearly simultaneously, but the feast days of Israel show otherwise. Paul says nothing about timing in this passage, except for the very general word "then," by which he means "next."
In Paul's statement in 1 Thess. 4:15-17, he tells us that we will "meet" the Lord in the air. The Greek word used is apantesis, which means "to meet and return with (as an escort)." This Greek word is used four times in the New Testament. It is used in Matt. 25:1 and 6, where the arrival of the Bridegroom was announced and the ten virgins were told to go out "to meet" Him.
Five of them were "foolish," and had to go out to buy oil for their lamps, and when they returned to the place where they had all been waiting, the door was shut, and they were too late for the wedding. It is obvious that the wise virgins had gone out to escort the Bridegroom to the wedding and were now back where all of them had been waiting.
In other words, the Bridegroom did not come to snatch away the wise virgins and take them back to heaven with Him. Instead, they escorted Him back to the place where they had been waiting. Thus, "to meet" means to meet and return with. The other place where apantesis is used is found in Acts 28:15. Paul was being taken as a prisoner to Rome.
And the brethren, when they heard about us, came from there as far as the Market of Appius and the Three Inns TO MEET US; and when Paul saw them, he thanked God and took courage.
The story makes it clear that the believers did not go with Paul back to Jerusalem from whence he had come. Instead, the believers met Paul and escorted him back to Rome from whence they had come
In general, I agree. I do not believe in a Pre-trib rapture but post-trib, when Jesus comes back the second time as you said to earth.
the word "Death" being thrown into the lake of fire represents those held by death.
Of course those in the lake of fire perish. Christ perished on the cross. They destroyed Him. He came back to life. When death is abolished AFTER all sovereignty, authority and power are done away, then those who were held by death in Revelation will come forth and God will be All in all.
No. Christ came to life through the resurrection, the ones in the lake of fire are already resurrected and judged and in their immortal body they will not die nor resurrected again. The White throne judgement is before all powers are done away, they that are not written in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire together with death and hell. Than the new earth will be created on the old earth, where the lake of fire still exist, a place of the absence of God called second death, nothing will come out of it into the presence of God again and the inhabitants of the earth which are in God and God in them (all in all), the redeemed can look into the lake of fire, that is in the new earth (Isa 66:22-24).
No. Christ came to life through the resurrection, the ones in the lake of fire are already resurrected and judged and in their immortal body they will not die nor resurrected again. The White throne judgement is before all powers are done away, they that are not written in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire together with death and hell. Than the new earth will be created on the old earth, where the lake of fire still exist, a place of the absence of God called second death, nothing will come out of it into the presence of God again and the inhabitants of the earth which are in God and God in them (all in all), the redeemed can look into the lake of fire, that is in the new earth (Isa 66:22-24).
It is impossible to be dead and immortal at the same time. Those in the lake of fire are in death. They are dead, unconscious, kaput.
Christ will be reigning on the new earth as well and sovereignties, authorities and power are on the new earth. So the last enemy, death, is not done away yet as Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28.
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