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So, when a Christian such as yourself isn't exhibiting the light, does that mean you've lost it, and then it comes back, and then you lose it, and then it comes back, etc.?
A Christian is not to practice unrighteousness. If we do that which is unrighteous then the righteous thing to do is to confess that sin with a heavy heart and be remorsed for it that you you do not do it again and God will forgive you of that sin. However, if someone turns back to serve the selfishness of the flesh without remorse they no longer have the light.
A Christian is not to practice unrighteousness. If we do that which is unrighteous then the righteous thing to do is to confess that sin with a heavy heart and be remorsed for it that you you do not do it again and God will forgive you of that sin. However, if someone turns back to serve the selfishness of the flesh without remorse they no longer have the light.
So, even if a person isn't exhibiting the light at any given time, that doesn't mean they don't have the light. Do you see that completely contradicts what you said before? You're saying God doesn't put the light under a bushel, but yet any time a Christian isn't exhibiting the light, they're a bushel.
So, even if a person isn't exhibiting the light at any given time, that doesn't mean they don't have the light. Do you see that completely contradicts what you said before? You're saying God doesn't put the light under a bushel, but yet any time a Christian isn't exhibiting the light, they're a bushel.
No, it means they don't have the light. As Paul said, you are to whom you yield yourselves to obey. This is why the confession and repentance is so important.
Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. If the don't exhibit good works they are none of His - they don't have the light.
No, it means they don't have the light. As Paul said, you are to whom you yield yourselves to obey. This is why the confession and repentance is so important.
Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. If the don't exhibit good works they are none of His - they don't have the light.
So, you (a Christian) don't have the light at the times when you don't exhibit the light?
And then I guess that means you believe that when non-Christians are acting "righteously" they have been given the light, too?
So, God is giving light, taking it away, giving, taking, giving, taking?
By their fruits we will recognize them, in this case Jesus is not talking about the fruit of the spirit but what they are falsely calling what is God.
We have had 2000 years of this and Paul warned the Ephesian church that this would happen
This is what Paul said.....savage wolves will come among even from your own number and distort the truth(fruit).
We need to listen more to what is being said rather than judging sin in others as if we are perfect. For what we accept to be true whether it is true or not can cause you years of misery and destruction. What is being presented in the OP i was involved in deeply for 8 years back in the late 80's and believe me i have seen what it does, and the whole time being involved with it, i was blind to it. God took me out of it to see it and then took it out of me.
We met as a group 3 times a week each meeting would last for hours and it was the same stuff week in week out that we are poor miserable sinners and God is in all that he might be all in all. This stuff is as dangerous as the belief in eternal torment.
By their fruits we will recognize them, in this case Jesus is not talking about the fruit of the spirit but what they are falsely calling what is God.
Please provide proof for the above statement that it is what they are falsely calling what is God and not their acts.
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We have had 2000 years of this and Paul warned the Ephesian church that this would happen
This is what Paul said.....savage wolves will come among even from your own number and distort the truth(fruit).
Please provide proof that Paul meant by "truth" that he meant "fruit."
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We need to listen more to what is being said rather than judging sin in others as if we are perfect. For what we accept to be true whether it is true or not can cause you years of misery and destruction. What is being presented in the OP i was involved in deeply for 8 years back in the late 80's and believe me i have seen what it does, and the whole time being involved with it, i was blind to it. God took me out of it to see it and then took it out of me.
We met as a group 3 times a week each meeting would last for hours and it was the same stuff week in week out that we are poor miserable sinners and God is in all that he might be all in all. This stuff is as dangerous as the belief in eternal torment.
So you are saying belief in God's sovereignty leads people to destruction but belief in free will does not?
I don't know who teaches that God presently is in all that He might be All in all. Who teaches that?
I don't know who teaches that God presently is in all that He might be All in all. Who teaches that?
Those who teach that God is in (responsible for) everything, including evil, because God needs people to do evil in order for his overall plan to work.
Those who teach that God is in (responsible for) everything, including evil, because God needs people to do evil in order for his overall plan to work.
I teach God is responsible for everything but I don't believe God is presently in all that He may be All in all.
God will be All in all based upon vivification and Christ's obedience.
Do you believe Judas could do otherwise than what he did in giving up the Lord and fulfilling Scripture in doing so?
I teach God is responsible for everything but I don't believe God is presently in all that He may be All in all.
It's just a different way of saying the same thing. You are saying that God is responsible for everything, including evil .. therefore God is IN it.
Edit: I believe God is in all PEOPLE. God is love, God is light, God is good ... that is what is in all people. That's what shines through when the bushel gets lifted up (or burned off?) . God is not evil, therefore, God is not causing people to do evil.
Do you believe Judas could do otherwise than what he did in giving up the Lord and fulfilling Scripture in doing so?
The point is that I don't believe GOD causes Judas or anyone else to do things that are unloving.
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. God is not evil, therefore, God is not causing people to do evil.
