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That scripture does not say soulish, it says a living soul. It is the same word used in Mark for the life Jesus gave for us.
It does, ψυχικός (psychikos) is an adjective while "living soul" is a noun.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is ψυχικός; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Usage shows it's meaning:
- earthly
- devilish
- not having the Spirit of God
- receiving not the things of the Spirit of God
- incapable of knowing the things of the Spirit of God
But the ψυχικός man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, ψυχικός, devilish.
These be they who separate themselves, ψυχικός, having not the Spirit.
According to you Adam had the mind of Christ and thus was spiritual, but according to scripture, first was that which was ψυχικός and not spiritual.
Adam's spirit was NOT the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit by which we are sons of God. When Adam was created there was no distinction to be made between his spirit and the Holy Spirit because the distinction had not yet been manifested until he sinned.
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Originally Posted by pneuma
Adam was a son of God. therefore even according to you, had the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted by trettep
The Holy Spirit means it is a distinct Spirit. The Holy Spirit is one of righteousness. Adam didn't have the Holy Spirit. But what defines the Son is those that do the will of their Father in Heaven and those are they which have the Holy Spirit. But again the Holy Spirit is not known as separate until it was manifested. And up to the point that Adam sinned, He did the will of His Father in Heaven. So the references to the Son is valid in THAT CONTEXT.
Your contradicting yourself. First you say it is by the Holy Spirit by which we are sons of God. I show you that Adam was a son of God, and know you are saying Adam (a son of God) did not have the Holy Spirit.
Adam sinned because he followed the flesh, not the mind of Christ within him. Adam just like us today was given the mind of Christ, which is the same mind of the Father.
Doublespeak. A mind is what we choose with. Adam sinning was a choice, made with Adam's mind. Therefore Adam's mind was NOT the mind of Christ.
Your contradicting yourself. First you say it is by the Holy Spirit by which we are sons of God. I show you that Adam was a son of God, and know you are saying Adam (a son of God) did not have the Holy Spirit.
It appears contradicting to you because your trying try apply what I said out of its context. Adam was a son of God in the scope of being offspring of God but He didn't have the Holy Spirit which defines those that are God's Children. It is a matter of scope.
The scope here is that Adam was not born of men but of God but he wasn't a Son of God in the context that Jesus is. Jesus had the Holy Spirit. We know what a Holy Spirit is beause we know Adam sinned and didn't have that Spirit.
Young's Analytical Concordance defines Holy as "separation, set apart".
Again, how do we know Adam's and God's spirit is separate UNTIL Adam sinned? That is when we see the manifestation of that separation.
It does, ψυχικός (psychikos) is an adjective while "living soul" is a noun.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is ψυχικός; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Usage shows it's meaning:
- earthly
- devilish
- not having the Spirit of God
- receiving not the things of the Spirit of God
- incapable of knowing the things of the Spirit of God
But the ψυχικός man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, ψυχικός, devilish.
These be they who separate themselves, ψυχικός, having not the Spirit.
According to you Adam had the mind of Christ and thus was spiritual, but according to scripture, first was that which was ψυχικός and not spiritual.
Bob I already spoke on this in post #519. when I said
Man was created just like the serpent in every aspect.
Had a body just like the serpent, had all the emotions and temptations because of those emotions. Was tempted from without and from within.
This was so that when the serpent looked to man the serpent could see how to overcome the temptations, both that which is within and that which come from without the body. To live a sinless life.
This is the mystery spoken of in Ephesians.3
This is what was suppose to happen, but we know it did not. Man succumbed to the temptations from within and from without and fell into sin and death.
You need to read the rest in context to see the reason I said it, so reread post 519.
Also of note (and I have said this to you before also) is that man was created OUTSIDE of the garden and placed WITHIN the garden. Man was not placed within the garden until AFTER God breathes the "breath of life" birthed Christ within him.
Here is an old post of mine which may explain it better.
Breath of life
Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Many believe that this is speaking of how natural man was created.
They believe that God took dust from the ground, breathed His spirit into the dust and that this union of dust and spirit is the make up of man who is then called a living soul.
But is that what God said?
Let’s look closely at this scripture.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground.
It says plainly here that God formed MAN of the dust of the ground before He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and before MAN became a living soul.
Now we know that man is made up of spirit, soul and body. 1 Thessalonians 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This man of dust or biological man already had a spirit, soul and body, for is not man made up of spirit, soul and body?
And if this biological man spoken of here did not already have a spirit, soul and body can it be rightly called man?
Cannot we understand by this that man was already created? And that God is doing something other than creating a natural biological man here?
Brothers and sisters God is not creating a natural biological man here as in the creation of the first man Adam, but He is shaping man to be in His image and likeness here.
We read in Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The word created here comes from the Hebrew word bara and formed from Genesis 2:7 is the Hebrew word yatsar.
So why does the scriptures use two different words if they are both dealing with the creation of man?
Because the man being formed in Genesis 2:7 finds his fulfillment in Gen.1:26-27 in being created in the image and likeness of God.
Yatsar comes with the weight of something being squeezed into shape as a potter molding the clay.
Genesis 2:7 is telling us the process of how we are being formed into the image and likeness of God, it is not telling us how the natural biological man was created, but it is telling us how the spiritual man is being created.
Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
This is not speaking about how man was originally created, but rather it is speaking of how God is making the MAN he originally created into His image and likeness.
Now Gods breath is the brimstone (Is.30:33) spoken of in the second death and here it is called the BREATH OF LIFE. Now why would that which is seen as part of the make up of the second death be called the breath of life?
To understand why a part of the second death is called the breath of life let’s look at the meaning of the word BREATH.
It comes from the Hebrew word n\eshamah which is rooted in the Hebrew word nasham which means to destroy but also carries the weight of a woman in travail.
When God breathed the BREATH OF LIFE unto MAN it was for the destruction of the MAN that he was (the biological man) by birthing in the MAN of dust Jesus Christ.
Once the BREATH OF LIFE which is the birth/manifestation of Jesus Christ in the biological MAN, MAN became a new creature in Christ.
Adam was not a son of God. Adam was of God meaning he came from God, God created him.
Funny how every other occurrence of the word in those scriptures is talking about being born of this person or that person but when it comes to the last person mentioned all of a sudden it means something else.
Doublespeak. A mind is what we choose with. Adam sinning was a choice, made with Adam's mind. Therefore Adam's mind was NOT the mind of Christ.
Yes but Adam had Christ's mind, which is the mind of God, and could have followed it.
This is what you do not seem to understand. Every son of God has access to the mind of Christ. Yes we have our own mine, but we also have the mined of Christ. As a matter of fact the command not to eat was the mined of Christ, Adam did not listen to it.
It appears contradicting to you because your trying try apply what I said out of its context. Adam was a son of God in the scope of being offspring of God but He didn't have the Holy Spirit which defines those that are God's Children. It is a matter of scope.
The scope here is that Adam was not born of men but of God but he wasn't a Son of God in the context that Jesus is. Jesus had the Holy Spirit. We know what a Holy Spirit is beause we know Adam sinned and didn't have that Spirit.
Young's Analytical Concordance defines Holy as "separation, set apart".
Again, how do we know Adam's and God's spirit is separate UNTIL Adam sinned? That is when we see the manifestation of that separation.
Do we who believe on Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit? if having the Holy Spirit means we cannot sin as you are implying how is it we all sin?
Do we who believe on Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit? if having the Holy Spirit means we cannot sin as you are implying how is it we all sin?
You have the Holy Spirit if Jesus Christ is in you putting down sin in your own flesh. Our spirits sin, His does not. Ours is being destroyed through displacement when we begin receiving Christ.
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