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Old 12-09-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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The Wonderful Bible Teaches Original Sin. This is the sin that we inherited as members of Adam's body.

To many today want to teach the false doctrine of the Pelagians that believe that God is to be discovered within you. This was refuted by Augustine of Hippo.

We know that at birth we have the stain of Adam's sin and that to remove that condemnation requires God's Grace. However to ACCESS God's Grace requires Faith. Paul said the access to Grace is via Faith:

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

There is no other way taught in the Bible that one can die less they have sin. We know that babies have died further showing the condemnation that we are all born with. The wages of sin is death.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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The Wonderful Bible Teaches Original Sin. This is the sin that we inherited as members of Adam's body.

To many today want to teach the false doctrine of the Pelagians that believe that God is to be discovered within you. This was refuted by Augustine of Hippo.

We know that at birth we have the stain of Adam's sin and that to remove that condemnation requires God's Grace. However to ACCESS God's Grace requires Faith. Paul said the access to Grace is via Faith:

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

There is no other way taught in the Bible that one can die less they have sin. We know that babies have died further showing the condemnation that we are all born with. The wages of sin is death.
Every living thing dies. What the bible writers had to come up with was a way to explain why that happens unless one wants to believe that God's creations all fail at some point.

It was St. Augustine that came up with the "stain" theory in which all the offspring bore the guilt for Adam's sin and consequently died.

But if you don't believe in a six day creation story and death entered the world because of sin, then the earth was incredibly overpopulated and we should thank Adam and Eve for sinning to free up some space.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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Every living thing dies. What the bible writers had to come up with was a way to explain why that happens unless one wants to believe that God's creations all fail at some point.

It was St. Augustine that came up with the "stain" theory in which all the offspring bore the guilt for Adam's sin and consequently died.

But if you don't believe in a six day creation story and death entered the world because of sin, then the earth was incredibly overpopulated and we should thank Adam and Eve for sinning to free up some space.
Yeah but everything dies because of sin. I don't see St. Augstine coming up with the "Stain" theory. I see it in Genesis.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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The Wonderful Bible Teaches Original Sin. This is the sin that we inherited as members of Adam's body.

To many today want to teach the false doctrine of the Pelagians that believe that God is to be discovered within you. This was refuted by Augustine of Hippo.

We know that at birth we have the stain of Adam's sin and that to remove that condemnation requires God's Grace. However to ACCESS God's Grace requires Faith. Paul said the access to Grace is via Faith:

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

There is no other way taught in the Bible that one can die less they have sin. We know that babies have died further showing the condemnation that we are all born with. The wages of sin is death.
You are correct, of course. You're also right that many today don't want to hear it.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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The Wonderful Bible Teaches Original Sin. This is the sin that we inherited as members of Adam's body.

To many today want to teach the false doctrine of the Pelagians that believe that God is to be discovered within you. This was refuted by Augustine of Hippo.

We know that at birth we have the stain of Adam's sin and that to remove that condemnation requires God's Grace. However to ACCESS God's Grace requires Faith. Paul said the access to Grace is via Faith:

Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

There is no other way taught in the Bible that one can die less they have sin. We know that babies have died further showing the condemnation that we are all born with. The wages of sin is death.
Some questions...

What exactly are we to have faith in? Romans 4 explains that Abraham had faith in the promise of God that he would have many descendants, which promise was fulfilled. What is the promise that we are to have faith in? What exactly is the glory of God that we hope for?

Jesus died. Was he under the condemnation of original sin?
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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Some questions...

What exactly are we to have faith in? Romans 4 explains that Abraham had faith in the promise of God that he would have many descendants, which promise was fulfilled. What is the promise that we are to have faith in? What exactly is the glory of God that we hope for?

Jesus died. Was he under the condemnation of original sin?
Faith in our salvation from sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus died because He took our sins upon Himself.

Forgot to add - No Jesus was not under the condemnation because He was born of the virgin therefore He was not of Adam's seed but of the seed of the Father in Heaven.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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The Wonderful Bible Teaches Original Sin. This is the sin that we inherited as members of Adam's body.
Hello dear brother,
Where in the Bible does it say we inherited sin from Adam?
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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Some questions...

What exactly are we to have faith in? Romans 4 explains that Abraham had faith in the promise of God that he would have many descendants, which promise was fulfilled. What is the promise that we are to have faith in? What exactly is the glory of God that we hope for?

Jesus died. Was he under the condemnation of original sin?
That is an excellent question.

Paul, in Romans 4, tells us Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
The promise (that Abe and Sarah) would have a son, was believed in spite of all the outward signs that Sarah's reproductive system died long ago and so they were not able to have children. Yet Abraham believed God could and would accomplish what He said would occur.

Then Paul wrote:

Romans 4:23-25 Now it was not written because of him only, that it is reckoned to him, (24) but because of us also, to
whom it is about to be reckoned, who are believing on Him Who rouses Jesus our Lord from among the dead." (25)
Who was given up because of our offenses, and was roused because of our justifying."

Now we believe God that Christ died for our offenses/sins, was entombed and was roused from the dead.

God does not require us to understand all the deep things concerning theological matters. He just says: "Do you believe Me when I tell you Christ died for your offenses/sins, was entombed and was roused out of death? Am I believable? Abraham believed I was believable, do you?

That's the point.
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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Hello dear brother,
Where in the Bible does it say we inherited sin from Adam?
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

As members of the body of Adam we reap the punishment that Adam received.

Remember we are IN ADAM:

1Co_15:22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

Rom 5:19 for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Faith in our salvation from sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus died because He took our sins upon Himself.

Forgot to add - No Jesus was not under the condemnation because He was born of the virgin therefore He was not of Adam's seed but of the seed of the Father in Heaven.
We know that DNA from the female as well as the male are passed to their children. Are women not part of the body of Adam and destined to die? If so, then Mary's DNA would've been passed to Jesus regardless of the father's DNA (seed) and therefore had part of the body of Adam, as you put it.
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