Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian658
Don't feel bad. I would say 99.9% of non-Catholics do not know what is the Immaculate Conception. However, they feel free to give an opinion.
Mary had to be free of sin so she could carry Jesus in her womb. If Jesus is God then he cannot be inside a dirty womb. Or be born through a mundane vagina.
|
This contradicts so many scriptures that I would not know where to start, it contradicts Jesus own words many times, and it contradicts a need for Jesus in the first place.
It would pit Mary against Jesus as being the only human born who overcame and conquered death, did Mary also get resurrected when she died?
She should have never died in the first place if she was sinless.
But the prince makes atonement for himself also, on Nissan 14th.
We say that Jesus was all the sacrifices, but people just say this in general not being able to prove what they say. If I sit and speak to an unbelieving Jew who actually knows what he worships, and I am bold enough to say,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices on Passover and he fulfilled being the Yom Kippur Goats, and the rams of Passover, and that Jesus was even a bull sacrificed for the gentile nations on Nissan 14, then the Jew is going to laugh at me deservingly so, because Yom Kippur is in Tishri, and Sukkot is in Tishri, and so while people make a claim saying,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices,'' they say this in general with no proof to back their claim because they simply do not know the comings and goings of the Temple.
But it is just you and me here right now.
Would you make the claim that Jesus was all the sacrifices on Nissan 14?
That Jesus accomplished being the Passover lamb, the Pentecost rams, the Sukkot Bull, Yom Kippur goat on one single day in order to prove what you say?
Was he really the goat of Tishri 10, 6 months away from Nissan 14?
How was Jesus the Yom Kippur sacrifice and the Sukkot Bull on Nissan 14 when they aren't even in the same month?
You and I could agree on these things, but wouldn't you like to be able to prove what we say?
Ezekiel prophesied of the great prince that came to make Judah and Ephraim one man, and Jesus was this prince of Judah and Ephraim, and Ezekiel prophesied of that prince that Judah and Ephraim had appointed as the leader of both.
Ezekiel changes the law with what he says about this prince, the prince is given the responsibility to supply the sacrifice and this wasn't done before Ezekiel's temple.
Ezekiel prophesying of the change in responsibility only pointed to Jesus walking into the court chasing the sellers out, because he was the prince of Ezekiel's temple, not made of hands.
Here is Jesus offering a sin offering for himself AND for the people.
Ezekiel 45
18“ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In the first month on the first day you are to take a young bull without defect and purify the sanctuary.
19The priest is to take some of the blood of the sin offering and put it on the doorposts of the temple, on the four corners of the upper ledge of the altar and on the gateposts of the inner court.
20You are to do the same on the seventh day of the month for anyone who sins unintentionally or through ignorance; so you are to make atonement for the temple.
21“ ‘In the first month on the fourteenth day you are to observe the Passover, a festival lasting seven days, during which you shall eat bread made without yeast.
22On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land.
23Every day during the seven days of the festival he is to provide seven bulls and seven rams without defect as a burnt offering to the Lord, and a male goat for a sin offering.
24He is to provide as a grain offering an ephah for each bull and an ephah for each ram, along with a hin of olive oil for each ephah.
25“ ‘During the seven days of the festival, which begins in the seventh month on the fifteenth day, he is to make the same provision for sin offerings, burnt offerings, grain offerings and oil.
Now a lot of people do not know the comings and goings of the Temple and are not familiar with what actually takes place and when.
But when we are looking at Ezekiel 45, we are seeing things that have never, EVER happened, and the only way that we can show this happening is to make a claim that the Prince was all the sacrifices on Nissan 14.
At no time in Israeli History has there EVER been a bull sacrificed on Nissan 14, and that is just one aspect of what Ezekiel shows.
Ezekiel shows the Prince offering a sin offering for himself, and for the people, but what do we see Jesus saying about this?
A person came to him saying,'' Goo teacher,'' but he was stopped right there when Jesus said,'' Why do you call me good? None are good but the father.''
You can even speak against Jesus and his law and still be saved, albeit in the least of the kingdom.
Do you think Mary was above Jesus?
There would have been no need for Jesus to be born at all, because if God made Mary sinless, then he could do the same for all, and no reason for Jesus to come and open a closed door.
Jesus came to make a way possible, but if Mary had already been sinless, then there would be no reason for Jesus to die in the first place.
If we look at Mary as if she had to be sinless, then why in the world would people have hope that they have been born again?
Why in the world could any sinner claim to have the seed of God within them?
You see what I am saying?
If Mary had to be sinless all her life{she wasn't, she was born in sin} then none of us would have a chance, because none of us are sinless.
And if Jesus was all the sacrifices on a single day that Ezekiel shows the Prince offering a sin offering for himself and all the people, wouldn't it include Mary?
If he offered sacrifices for himself and all the people, there had to be a reason to do so, and there was a good reason, because all are born short of the glory of God, all people are born in sin, and what is the proof I can give to show this?
You walk into the bathroom to use the restroom and what comes out of you in corruption.