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I think your question goes into what the Pope said in his sermon yesterday. How do we know what to believe about Jesus? We learn from our elders and the Church. That is the reason Jesus started a Church, so we can know Him from His teachings handed down through the ages. The Church kept them safe in their treasury. Same thing with our country. How do we know about our founding fathers if our elders, etc did not write down what they said and did?
We learn from our elders and the Church. That is the reason Jesus started a Church, so we can know Him from His teachings handed down through the ages.
The Church is never referred to as a building in scripture but the body of believers in Christ.
What actions are these ?. I know far to many people who are not christians that have all the actions that christians claim follow faith, actions that are not done to earn salvation or in fear of losing salvation.
Desire is very nice, but if the desire is not being accomplished is it really effective ?.
The thief on the cross may have had the desire to serve Christ too, but was simply not able to. He was saved through his faith anyway.
Scripture teaches that there is joy and peace in believing. You would have to say if both of these are evident in our lives we are believing. Peace that the world cannot give, peace that the world cannot understand and peace that passes all understanding.
The thief on the cross may have had the desire to serve Christ too, but was simply not able to. He was saved through his faith anyway.
But you and I are not hanging on crosses about to pass away so we are able to, and the thief was not desiring anything other than to be remembered by Christ before he departed this dimension.
Desire is worthless unless it is being accomplished. Being well intentioned is not proof of anything.
But you and I are not hanging on crosses about to pass away so we are able to, and the thief was not desiring anything other than to be remembered by Christ before he departed this dimension.
Desire is worthless unless it is being accomplished. Being well intentioned is not proof of anything.
You do not know what he desired, or did not desire. His obedience was his belief, and it was enough for his salvation.
If you feel you have to prove something to someone, then you better get busy with it.
You do not know what he desired, or did not desire. His obedience was his belief, and it was enough for his salvation.
If you feel you have to prove something to someone, then you better get busy with it.
To try and justify that because you have a desire to serve christ means something, you are actually deceiving yourself.
Let me give an example of desire and desire accomplished. I have a tune running around my head i have a desire to pick up my lovely new shiny hofner violin bass i had for christmas(because i was a very good boy) to play the tune, but unless i pick up the shiny new hofner violin bass and play that tune running around my head the tune remains a desire and nothing else. No one sees or hears the desire.
You do not know what he desired, or did not desire. His obedience was his belief, and it was enough for his salvation.
If you feel you have to prove something to someone, then you better get busy with it.
You are reading what you want to see into that scripture. Belief is not obedience. Obedience is proof that you believe. Desire to be obey is not proof.
To try and justify that because you have a desire to serve christ means something, you are actually deceiving yourself.
Let me give an example of desire and desire accomplished. I have a tune running around my head i have a desire to pick up my lovely new shiny hofner violin bass i had for christmas(because i was a very good boy) to play the tune, but unless i pick up the shiny new hofner violin bass and play that tune running around my head the tune remains a desire and nothing else. No one sees or hears the desire.
Do you realize you are arguing against your own straw man argument?
Like I said earlier: Actions are the natural result of faith.
Natural result means they are done out of genuine desire to do it, as opposed to doing it out of fear, or like in your case, doing it in order to prove something to someone.
You twisted 'natural result' into "desire without action". Why?
Do you realize you are arguing against your own straw man argument?
Like I said earlier: Actions are the natural result of faith.
Natural result means they are done out of genuine desire to do it, as opposed to doing it out of fear, or like in your case, doing it in order to prove something to someone.
You twisted 'natural result' into "desire without action". Why?
There is no strawman, i am exposing your belief that desire is proof of anything is false . I know you are a big believer in OSAS a doctrine that was created to justify self that if you have a desire to serve christ but the desire is not evident you still go to the heaven you believe in instead of the hell you also believe in.
Joy and peace is the proof of believing, for those who are believing have found Christ in them to be their all in all. Peace that cannot be found in the world and peace that the world cannot understand. Meet a person with joy and peace then you have met some one believing.
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