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Old 01-25-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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That is really what the thread is about, isn't it? I am afraid that I can't accept the historicity of the truly absurd Jonah story on your say -so old chum. But I have to go with the evidence - that it is impossible to believe it really happened, either swallowing of a human by a fish and him surviving, or even worse going to the capital of the Assyrian empire and getting them to repent. Believe it if you want, but save yourself the trouble of trying to sell it to me.

And to the readers, if you must believe that story rather than seeing it as a tall tale to make a teaching point, then maybe you must deny the evidence for evolution on the basis of bible -literalism. But then you have got to believe that the story of Job is also literal and the shekel -eating fish, because you can't pick and choose what's metaphor and what's true.

If however, those of you who already see Job and Jonah as improbable stories and the flood and Eden as mythological guesswork, if not symbolic teaching tales, and you also rather doubt the shekel eating fish (I presume you know the story) and probably Matthew's daft angel perching on the tomb door and you see the clear implications of Jesus sometimes not knowing things as described in the gospels and completely ignored by Eusebius in favour of his own Bible -literalist beliefs, then there is no reason why a view of plant, animal and indeed human evolution cannot be accepted on the evidence rather than rejected on faith in human - swallowing fishes.
And there you have it folks. AREQUIPA tries by pulling rabbits out of his hat to dry to disprove the Bible. He gives us his say-so that a sea monster could not swallow Jonah, that Jonah could not get Nineveh to repent, that Jesus lied about the shekel being found in the fish that the historic account of Job is fictitious, that the garden east of Eden and the world-wide flood was "mythological guesswork." This is the pot calling the kettle black. Evolution is the ideology which promotes "mythological guesswork." There are no actual PROOFS proving evolution. Evolution is Jonah swallowing the sea monster.

God truly did create Adam and Eve, the heavens and the earth, the animal and plant life on it.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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If evolution is mythology, then why don't you find it compelling? You accept bible mythology as true without any evidence whatsoever, so why not accept the "myth" of evolution without any evidence?

Why the double standard?
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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And there you have it folks. AREQUIPA tries by pulling rabbits out of his hat to dry to disprove the Bible. He gives us his say-so that a sea monster could not swallow Jonah, that Jonah could not get Nineveh to repent, that Jesus lied about the shekel being found in the fish that the historic account of Job is fictitious, that the garden east of Eden and the world-wide flood was "mythological guesswork." This is the pot calling the kettle black. Evolution is the ideology which promotes "mythological guesswork." There are no actual PROOFS proving evolution. Evolution is Jonah swallowing the sea monster.

God truly did create Adam and Eve, the heavens and the earth, the animal and plant life on it.
Eusebius:


Not ALL the data is available to describe evolution, but there is quite a bit. Unfortunately an intact fossil record of every creature that ever lived is not possible. So there is a need to fill in the blanks in a few areas. But, God gave us REASON and the available data is more compatible with evolution than creation.

However, creationists may have a point with regards to the origin of the universe 13.7 billion years ago. We do not know what caused the Big Bang.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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If evolution is mythology, then why don't you find it compelling? You accept bible mythology as true without any evidence whatsoever, so why not accept the "myth" of evolution without any evidence?

Why the double standard?
Exactly!

That is a great point.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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And there you have it folks. AREQUIPA tries by pulling rabbits out of his hat to dry to disprove the Bible. He gives us his say-so that a sea monster could not swallow Jonah, that Jonah could not get Nineveh to repent, that Jesus lied about the shekel being found in the fish that the historic account of Job is fictitious, that the garden east of Eden and the world-wide flood was "mythological guesswork." This is the pot calling the kettle black. Evolution is the ideology which promotes "mythological guesswork." There are no actual PROOFS proving evolution. Evolution is Jonah swallowing the sea monster.

God truly did create Adam and Eve, the heavens and the earth, the animal and plant life on it.
Then stay away from the thousands of museums which have proof one can see and feel that evolution is true and continues to this day, because you might become frustrated. And, please keep your views to yourself because we need to raise the next generation of scientists instead of nutcases that continue to look to the clouds for the return of a mythical zombie.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Well, you have the right to your views, but I think that a re-appraisal might change your mind about how strong the evidence is these days. Of course Eusebius and expat have a case (though they don't use it) that you can also explain the species as 'just made that way', the strata (well, no, not really but never mind) DNA and morphology (well, no, not really but 'God just made them like that' will do if you really don't want to accept the evidence) and of course no proof of abiogenesis and no proof of the 'somebody was there filming it' kind, which then would be denounced as a fake by the coterie of atheist scientists, even if it could be done - just as the last Flat Earthists denounced the space photos as massive fake.

Have no doubts about this: Creationism is the Flat Earthism of today.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Maybe portions of the truth lie with both theories.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:54 AM
 
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Eusebius:


Not ALL the data is available to describe evolution, but there is quite a bit. Unfortunately an intact fossil record of every creature that ever lived is not possible. So there is a need to fill in the blanks in a few areas. But, God gave us REASON and the available data is more compatible with evolution than creation.

However, creationists may have a point with regards to the origin of the universe 13.7 billion years ago. We do not know what caused the Big Bang.
This certainly is a valid viewpoint, but first one must prove the universe is a creation, which there is no evidence that it is such. The attributes of our universe are much more consistent with a natural beginning than with an intelligent creator.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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Why does it have to be one or the other? Maybe portions of the truth lie with both theories.
Creationism is not a theory, only a hypothesis, and one without evidence. Only evolution is a theory.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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Creationism is not a theory, only a hypothesis, and one without evidence. Only evolution is a theory.
To me, creation is an absolute because things exist. Everything had to start somewhere and that was the creation. Even evolution accepts that all things had a beginning. In fact, if you do not believe in creation you cannot join the discussion of how it was created. You must accept that things exist and came to be before you can begin to even think about how it happened and if things evolved from that creation point.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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To me, creation is an absolute because things exist. Everything had to start somewhere and that was the creation. Even evolution accepts that all things had a beginning. In fact, if you do not believe in creation you cannot join the discussion of how it was created. You must accept that things exist and came to be before you can begin to even think about how it happened and if things evolved from that creation point.
Evolution has nothing to do with how things began, only about how things came to be as they are. Of course one must first accept that everything was "created" before one can discuss how they were created. Unfortunately, there is no evidence of things being created, so I cannot accept it. Why would I speculate?
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