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So according to warden, a 'fundie' is someone who follows and obeys the teachings of God and Christ. Sounds good. Sign me up! Do I get a pin or something?
Warden would be humorous if I believed he was speaking in jest but it's just sad that he feels that true Christianity is rejecting the teachings of Christ. Not only that, but look down on those who do love God and follow His Word! 99% of what he preaches is clearly against the Savior he claims to follow.
Do we look down on strict vegans? Of course not. I suppose the true vegan is one that is open to eating all types of meat.
Oh wait, then they wouldn't be a vegan...
...and those who do not follow Christ are not Christians.
No, in fact I believe most, not all, fundamentalists aren't even Christian. They are bibliolators. They know the bible, they just don't know how Jesus changed understanding of OT Law. They instead are immersed in being a Pharisee. They TALK about faith, but don't practice what faith should lead to---serving others, even the most detested in the eyes of the world.
Fundies would be humorous, except I know for an absolute fact that they are 100% sincere about running the lives of everyone in this nation. Many of their tactics as well as actions come straight from the books of the Third Reich. I even posted a video of two of the more prominent fundamentalists stating that 9/11 was the result of the "sins" of the nation, not the action of fundamentalists in other countries.
For those who wish to see the growing problem in the world of rising fundamentalists in all religions, it's easy enough to google.
The fundie never sees himself as the frightened, insecure individual that most of them are.
Jesus came to remove fear of other people from us. Fundies play it up.
So according to warden, a 'fundie' is someone who follows and obeys the teachings of God and Christ. Sounds good. Sign me up! Do I get a pin or something?
Warden would be humorous if I believed he was speaking in jest but it's just sad that he feels that true Christianity is rejecting the teachings of Christ. Not only that, but look down on those who do love God and follow His Word! 99% of what he preaches is clearly against the Savior he claims to follow.
Do we look down on strict vegans? Of course not. I suppose the true vegan is one that is open to eating all types of meat.
Oh wait, then they wouldn't be a vegan...
...and those who do not follow Christ are not Christians.
You follow the Bible and that is NOT following Christ. You have made the Bible your infallible God . . . NOT Christ. Christ instituted the New Covenant. Christ abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." We are to test the Spirit against the Spirit of agape love because God IS agape love. That is why Christ said to "love God and each other" every day and repent when you don't. Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. THAT is how you follow Him . . . NOT by thinking the Bible and its words "written in ink" are infallible.
You follow the Bible and that is NOT following Christ. You have made the Bible your infallible God . . . NOT Christ. Christ instituted the New Covenant. Christ abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." We are to test the Spirit against the Spirit of agape love because God IS agape love. That is why Christ said to "love God and each other" every day and repent when you don't. Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. THAT is how you follow Him . . . NOT by thinking the Bible and its words "written in ink" are infallible.
We may not always agree...but that was well stated...
You follow the Bible and that is NOT following Christ. You have made the Bible your infallible God . . . NOT Christ. Christ instituted the New Covenant. Christ abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." We are to test the Spirit against the Spirit of agape love because God IS agape love. That is why Christ said to "love God and each other" every day and repent when you don't. Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. THAT is how you follow Him . . . NOT by thinking the Bible and its words "written in ink" are infallible.
I have to agree. One distinction between fundamentalist and the non -fundamentalists is Bible inerrancy.
That is not the first definition that comes to mind but, since both use the Bible and its quotes extensively as supportive evidence, it isn't the Bible as such. Since both regard inspiration from God as a guarantee that their interpretation of scripture is sound and correct, putting the Bible ahead of God seems a false witness, folks, so don't imperil your immortal souls by doing it, (Of course if you are not ETs, then it doesn't matter).
It seems as if 'following Christ' doesn't seem to hit the mark. How one does that depends on either how one reads the Gospel example or how one is guided by God to interpret them as to how to follow the example. So 'Following Christ' seems to be no more than God -inspired Bible interpretation put (more or less) into daily practice.
So what is left it seems to me is this insistence by some that the Bible is to be taken as literally true, no matter how much it may seem to be myth (references to obvious metaphor like the 'heart' when we mean the mind is a red herring).
The fundamentalist believes that Eden, the flood and Jonah happened just as described. Others (not fundamentalists) can regard those as myth or at most 'metaphorically true'. That also explains why fundamentalists tend to be creationists too.
On this forum, the terms "fundamentalist or fundie" are most often used in a pejorative manner to denigrate Christians whom the name-caller thinks take the Bible and Christianity too literally or seriously.
Properly used, "fundamentalism" is certainly not the 'negative blight' that some imagine. Here is a reasonably accurate definition:
“A ‘fundamentalist’ is one who believes the Bible is the inerrant authority on faith and life, salvation is achieved only through faith in Jesus Christ, and he or she has a personal responsibility to share this belief with non-Christians.”
... What's wrong with that??
While there is much disagreement about 'Who should be labeled a fundamentalist,' most can probably agree that "fundamentals" (unalterable, underlying principles and truths upon which something is based) are essential to any endeavor or systematic thought process. To say that one has or lacks fundamentals, is akin to saying that one has or lacks principles!
IMO, 'fundamentals' also describe what one believes, not what one does not believe about someone else's beliefs (since the latter is a 'moving target'). For example, one might accurately say, "I do not agree with your belief that the Bible is the inspired Word of God." However, that would only qualify as one's own 'fundamental' principle or belief system, if they said, "My fundamental belief system is defined by my response to your beliefs but, has no tenants of its own."
In a sense, everyone who has unalterable, underlying principles and truths upon which they base what they believe ... is a 'fundamentalist.' Therefore, to attempt to discredit or denigrate someone else, by calling them a 'fundamentalist' - actually creates a negative 'boomerang impression' of the one hurling the accusation.
In a sense, everyone who has unalterable, underlying principles and truths upon which they base what they believe ... is a 'fundamentalist.' Therefore, to attempt to discredit or denigrate someone else, by calling them a 'fundamentalist' - actually creates a negative 'boomerang impression' of the one hurling the accusation.
While it is true that everyone has some sort of foundation, "Fundamentalist" refers to a specific set of beliefs which may be held more or less tightly, but are stated. When those "fundamentals" go much past the basis of faith stated in Jesus' analysis of the Law as "contained" in the first two, or in "the New Commandment," they are open to criticism, especially when the expression of those "fundamentals" attempt to impose restrictions on other people, and THAT is the basis for most criticism of "Fundies."
No, in fact I believe most, not all, fundamentalists aren't even Christian. They are bibliolators. They know the bible, they just don't know how Jesus changed understanding of OT Law. They instead are immersed in being a Pharisee. They TALK about faith, but don't practice what faith should lead to---serving others, even the most detested in the eyes of the world.
Is this one of those claims that are somewhere between right and wrong?
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Fundies would be humorous, except I know for an absolute fact that they are 100% sincere about running the lives of everyone in this nation. Many of their tactics as well as actions come straight from the books of the Third Reich.
Your true colors are beginning to show. You actually have an agenda here.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 01-30-2015 at 09:15 AM..
It is much simpler than that, Vizio. A fundy is one who forsakes knowledge and reason for so-called infallible revelation. Thinking is discouraged. Believing is demanded.
But, isn't 'infallible revelation' what you repeatedly rely on when you authoritatively define just which Bible passages and verses are inspired and true ... and which should be discarded - as 'fables created by misguided ancients' and 'believed by those lacking your infallible wisdom and discernment?' ... Or as another poster humorously asked, "does your swiss-cheese Bible simply eliminate any passages that disagree with your personal theology?"
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