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right on Juiian, LOL, the Church has had trouble with finances from the very beginning---in fact the very first CFO (Judas) appointed by our Blessed Savior, Himself apparently stole money from the common fund and then flat out betrayed Him for a bribe (and of course, all the rest of them ran off as well and/or denied Him at the time). yet, most of them came back, Jesus forgave them and used them to establish his Church and write many parts of the New Testament that Christians continue to revere and try to live by---go figure. IMHO, the Church (both head and members) have always been part of a "hospital for sinners" AND "a school for saints" and probably always will as long as people remain people in constant need of God's grace and mercy.
"the pope is infallible" thing is NOT what some people think it is---doesn't mean he knows everything (heck, I wouldn't even trust him to make a correct weather report---but then I don't always trust the (so-called) "experts", either, LOL). the infallibility ONLY kicks in when he officially and solemnly as pope ("ex cathedra" is the latin term) in writing pronounces on a specific doctrine concerning faith and morals and even then he cannot simply "make things up" ---it has to be something already consistent with what the Church has already taught and believed based on the Bible and sacred tradition (NOT "traditions of men") over time through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit (which Jesus promised to send to the Church he founded---"the Spirit of Truth which will guide you to all truth". OTOH, "off the cuff" statement made to the media on most any subject including most religious/moral matters for example are NOT infallible.
finally, whatever infallibility does it doesn't make the pope sinless, he remains a man occupying an office that exists to SERVE the Church and its members ("servant of the servants of God") and every time he celebrates Mass he as a matter of course must pronounce and admit his own general and particular sinfulness to God ("through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault") like every other Catholic AND also periodically must confess his sins to God privately through the agency of a priest and do penance for them just like every other Catholic.
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Why do you guys repeat the same old recycled anti-Catholic slogans with such precision? Do they teach anti-Catholicism in your churches?
The corruption of unGodly men has nothing to do with the purity of the Church.
It would be like saying all "assembly of God" members are going to hell because of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker. Do you see the fallacy of your arguments.
every trinity religion on earth is false--the facts prove it--Mark 3:24-26--a house divided will not stand.
Recycled catholic anti things are facts.
The Israelites served a single being mono God named-YHWH(Jehovah)from Moses until this day--taught to Jesus while attending the synagogues( the God Jesus serves)= undeniable facts. that is why Jesus and all his real teachers teach that fact--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28, Eph 1:13,17,2Cor 11:31,Coll 1:3--1Peter 1:3--Rev 1:6--all 100% in agreement--how many times does the bible have to show you this fact for you to believe it? Its the #1 teaching in the nt--Jesus has a God-his Father= John 4:22-24= YHWH(Jehovah)
A small g belongs in the last line of John 1:1--its a fact.
2 billion are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment--daily.
actually, the Shepherd of Hermas almost made it. it is really quite an inspired work
by an early Christian. There are no heresies at all in it. It was highly thought of,
and is worth reading along with the Letters of Clement, and Ignatius..
if you are interested in this subject get a copy of Patrology by Johannes Quasten.
Way too corrupt. Pope can say he cares for the poor, but he will never sell all his treasures and give thekney for the poor.
Hmmm...how much would the Pieta of Michelangelo cost? I mean everything in St. Peter's Basilica are priceless art items that belong only in a museum not in the hands of some individual. This isn't like your pastors prized golf clubs or Mercedes mind you; these are historical and significant artifacts of history and genius. The best place for them is somewhere holy where parishioners and others can appreciate them.
The Fundies ain't thinking too hard tonight. It's not all about the Midwest or the South by the way...there is a world out there where art and history matter.
Well, a couple of things...Yahoo still exists and they write articles as well...I thought Yahoo went the route of Ask Jeeves but that is neither here nor there.
Another thing the article makes mention that the church should just use some Private bank. Why would this be a bad idea you may be asking yourself if you read critically? The reason is because banks are for Profit institutions that sell financial products to further a profit motive i.e. they're goals would not be consistent with a massive non-profit organization like the Vatican especially one that is a bank foreign to the country. There are plenty of other reasons private banks would be bad for a religious organization, especially one as big as the Vatican such as interest rates, trading fees, currency fees many, many more costs and fees and imperfect markets on top of that which all benefit the bank.
I think Jewish bankers should stick to penetrating Fundamentalist churches and spreading their nonsense their than trying to put one over the Catholics; I know way too many Rachelles who are Fundamentalist or Evangelical.
well, despite problems inside and out for nearly 2000 years the Catholic Church is still around despite the stupidity and evil of some and still trying to preach the Gospel of Christ as it sees it. how many other "western" institutions have done that well or ill---it outlived the roman empire, the barbarian invasions, struggles with various kings and emperors, schism and heresy within and without, the renaissance, the reformation, the enlightenment, the rise of secular nation states (including communism) and finally a "post Christian" world view that at best ignores it as too "retro" in it's style and substance or actively denounces it for the same reason--if that's simply dumb luck then it's win the lottery good dumb luck---or (merited or unmerited) Divine grace.
again, you might as well say the rot of sin was there from the first--starting with those first picked to be disciples by Jesus Himself---one who stole money and then betrayed Him and the rest who ran away and denied him when things went bad--but He chose them and forgave them when they came back and used them to spread the Good News, baptize, and organize first scattered groups of believers in an obscure part of the roman empire and eventually millions of people over time throughout the roman world, then all of first a barbarian and then a gradually more civilized Europe and eventually thruout the world (in the meanwhile assembling, protecting, and spreading the Bible, defining the key doctrines of the trinity, the nature of Jesus and the value of His sacrifice, etc. while establishing schools, hospitals, universities to try to enhance or heal both the physical, intellectual, and spiritual needs of so many) despite the all too human imperfections of head and members from the very first---amazing even if you doubt it's (possibly) divine origins or it's faithfulness to the Gospel it tries to preach.
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every trinity religion on earth is false--the facts prove it--Mark 3:24-26--a house divided will not stand.
Recycled catholic anti things are facts.
The Israelites served a single being mono God named-YHWH(Jehovah)from Moses until this day--taught to Jesus while attending the synagogues( the God Jesus serves)= undeniable facts. that is why Jesus and all his real teachers teach that fact--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28, Eph 1:13,17,2Cor 11:31,Coll 1:3--1Peter 1:3--Rev 1:6--all 100% in agreement--how many times does the bible have to show you this fact for you to believe it? Its the #1 teaching in the nt--Jesus has a God-his Father= John 4:22-24= YHWH(Jehovah)
A small g belongs in the last line of John 1:1--its a fact.
2 billion are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment--daily.
Yeah ........ aren't you a Jehovah's Witness? You people believe that Christ has already returned some time back in the 50s, but is invisible because it was a spiritual return........ right? Or do I remember wrongly?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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