Once Saved Always saved, Is this a hyper grace doctrine? (pray, sinned)
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Matt 22: 1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son........,.,
11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Commitment.
You really do think you can save yourself by your works.
The garment does not represent works, it is Holy Spirit, the seal of salvation.
"When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"
"set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come"
Pay attention to "when you believed", as oppose to your "when you did your works".
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 03-15-2015 at 03:43 PM..
Pay attention to "when you believed", as oppose to your "when you did your works".
Pay attention to when you committed to living in the love that Jesus embodied...when you put on that garment... when you put your hand to the plow, knowing that nothing you could do would merit the gift, but wanting to express the same love that was shown to you.
Pay attention to when you committed to living in the love that Jesus embodied...when you put on that garment... when you put your hand to the plow, knowing that nothing you could do would merit the gift, but wanting to express the same love that was shown to you.
I'm beginning to think there are some who fail to put their hand to the plow because they are worried God will mistakenly think they are trying to work their way into Heaven. Whereas a do nothing Christian is seen to practice faith constantly in order not to rob God of His glory.
We certainly have a plethora of do nothing Christians, so I don't think there are so many trying to "work" their way into Heaven that they will even be noticed.
And having the good news is about sharing the good news--nope, not preaching, but teaching with a life that shows its faith with its works.
Last edited by Wardendresden; 03-15-2015 at 09:09 PM..
I'm beginning to think there are some who fail to put their hand to the plow because they are worried God will mistakenly think they are trying to work their way into Heaven. Whereas a do nothing Christian is seen to practice faith constantly in order not to rob God of His glory.
We certainly have a plethora of do nothing Christians, so I don't think there are so many trying to "work" their way into Heaven that they will even be noticed.
And having the good news is about sharing the good news--nope, not preaching, but teaching with a life that shows its faith with its works.
Thank you Warden. I know that there are some who "get it,"but it is sometimes discouraging when those who hold to the ideas presented here actively discourage that "spurring" to love and good deeds the Hebrew writer talked about becauswe it would indicate that we "are not relying on the finished work of the cross." Any indications of encouraging to demonstrate God's love and people start with "relying on works for salvation."
I agree with you and James 2:[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
We MUST have the Holy Spirit to be saved. Our natural righteousnesses are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Only the works of the Holy Spirit are accepted by God, and we have nothing of which we can boast. If we truly believe on Christ and truly repent, we will love Christ and our chief desire is to do the will of God. Jesus said in 8th chapter of Luke that His mother and His brethren (His family) are those who hear the Word of God and DO it. Faith which manifests no fruits of the Holy Spirit is dead. We MUST become new creatures in Christ.
Jesus tells the story in Matt. 12:[43] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man (implying that the man had received the Holy Spirit) he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. [44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. [45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
I believe this is an example of the unforgivable sin, where a person with the Holy Spirit commis a premeditated, malicious, willful sin by which he has blasphemed the Holy Gost and cannot be brought back to repentance. See Heb. chapter 6.
Right baptized by water and Fire. ?
I have never known anyone in history for example hitler. Did Hitler blaspheme the holy ghost?
We have to distinquish between different works and faith.
There are works of faith (1.Th1:3; 2.Th1:11) done through the Holy Spirit, which are done for reward, and there are evil works done through the flesh, which separates us from God (death).
Mat 7:23 "depart from Me, you that work iniquity".
Tit 1:16 "but in works they deny Him (God), being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate".
Not every believer will enter the Kingdom of God (Mat 7:21-23). Blessed are they, that do His commandments, that they may enter (Rev 22:14)
Mat 19:17 "if you will enter into life, keep the commandments". "If" stands for a condition and makes salvation conditional and there are a lot of "ifs" in the bible.
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter the strait gate, many try to enter, but shall not be able
Now we come to faith. Only faith on Christ and being in Christ makes our salvation secure. If we remain in Christ till the end of our life, we inherit eternal salvation. We are born spiritual again by receiving salvation in Jesus Christ and we have to hold on what we have (Rev 3:11; 1.Ti 6:12). It is a spiritual birth and a believer can die spiritual as Rom 11:19-22 and Rev 3:5 and 22:19 shows us.
There is true faith and there is wrong faith in the wishful thinking and doctrines of men.
Christians are ignorant and by lack of knowledge they perish (Hos 4:6)
OSAS says that all our sins are already forgiven including future sins regardless what we do. This is not what the bible says, we have to confess our sins to be forgiven, we have to forgive our transgressors to be forgiven.
OSAS says that God does not see our sins, because He looks through the blood of Jesus. Happy is he whose sins are forgiven, but Rev 2+3 tells Christians their sins and warns them to repent.
OSAS says we cannot loose our salvation, but that is not true, the prodigal son lost it and came to life again through true repentance.
OASA says to be born again is eternal salvation. No, it is receiving eternal life in Christ Jesus and we have to walk the narrow way and to put off the old man and be renewed in our mind (Eph 4:22; Col 3:8+9; Rom 12:1), only overcomers remain in the book of life (Rev 22:19). Sinners that think OSAS gives them a licence to transgress God's law, because Jesus died for them and the law has no power over them are in error. "For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law". There is sin to death (the bible tells us which ones)) and sin not to death. Do you need a Savior and the blood of Jesus?
Pay attention to when you committed to living in the love that Jesus embodied...when you put on that garment... when you put your hand to the plow, knowing that nothing you could do would merit the gift, but wanting to express the same love that was shown to you.
What do you think it means when someone repeatedly says "works are a natural result of faith"?
Earlier you said works are a requirement for salvation. Are you still saying that, or are you saying something else?
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