Once Saved Always saved, Is this a hyper grace doctrine? (Isaiah, Commandment)
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And if you think you can be saved without making that commitment to living in the principles taught by Jesus YOU are sadly mistaken.
I've never said that. The essence of the Christian life is when one realizes they can't do it on their own and they turn away from their sin and they throw themselves on the mercy of God.
Martin Luther said that "Faith alone saves, but not a faith that IS alone." We need to remember it's not faith + works.....but it is a faith that produces works, or that causes works to be present.
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You keep doing this even when the difference has been explained to you and you will NOT acknowledge the difference or the need for that commitment.
BTW, "Sin" or missing the mark has a new "mark" in the New Covenant: acting in love.
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
OK? And HAVE you loved perfectly? Of course not. You're just like me and everyone else. The good news is that you don't have to.
So you're NOT obeying him? That means, by your words, you do not have the Holy Spirit.
So you've promoted yourself! Perhaps you should start a thread. "I can tell you if you have the Holy Spirit". People can present themselves and you can say, "You do. You do not. Turn to the left. Turn to the right. Nope. You definitely don't have it."
God will probably be surprised you've usurped his position but I'm sure you can explain it to him.
If your post above is your perception, where does this come from? I think your stance is inconsistent, Vizio.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
So you're NOT obeying him? That means, by your words, you do not have the Holy Spirit.
Which was in response to:
Originally Posted by Robert M Prince
Being human we all make regular mistakes. If that Holy Spirit is working through us, He .makes it possible to be acceptibe to God. But we need to confess when we make mistakes, and he will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1John 1:9.
So you've promoted yourself! Perhaps you should start a thread. "I can tell you if you have the Holy Spirit". People can present themselves and you can say, "You do. You do not. Turn to the left. Turn to the right. Nope. You definitely don't have it."
God will probably be surprised you've usurped his position but I'm sure you can explain it to him.
Try to follow along here, Dew. He said himself that if we obey, we have the Holy Spirit. So therefore, by his own admission, if he is NOT following along....that would be an indication that he has not met the prerequisite for the Holy Spirit. Since he said he does not perfectly obey, he cannot (by his theology) have the Holy Spirit.
Try to follow along here, Dew. He said himself that if we obey, we have the Holy Spirit. So therefore, by his own admission, if he is NOT following along....that would be an indication that he has not met the prerequisite for the Holy Spirit. Since he said he does not perfectly obey, he cannot (by his theology) have the Holy Spirit.
And then YOU got called for deliberately turning his confession of imperfection into a means to deny that he has the Spirit then, by making perfect obedience the requirement. Yes, Vizio, it IS about you setting yourself up as judge
And then YOU got called for deliberately turning his confession of imperfection into a means to deny that he has the Spirit then, by making perfect obedience the requirement. Yes, Vizio, it IS about you setting yourself up as judge
Again....if he is basing our having the Holy Spirit upon obedience, then none of us (him included) have the Holy Spirit. Because NONE of us perfectly obey God. Try to follow along, nate.
Again....if he is basing our having the Holy Spirit upon obedience, then none of us (him included) have the Holy Spirit. Because NONE of us perfectly obey God. Try to follow along, nate.
As I said before "obedience" is not a matter of perfection, it is a matter of commitment. Keep up.
As I said before "obedience" is not a matter of perfection, it is a matter of commitment. Keep up.
A quick google search shows this: "compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority.
The discussion that we were having was not about commitment, because the OP wasn't suggesting that we need to simply be committed, or trust...he was saying we need to obey God's commands.
A quick google search shows this: "compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority.
The discussion that we were having was not about commitment, because the OP wasn't suggesting that we need to simply be committed, or trust...he was saying we need to obey God's commands.
Again...try to keep up.
Try one more time. Obedience does NOT have to be perfect to be obedience. That is ONLY in your mind and the source of your failed judgement.
Try one more time. Obedience does NOT have to be perfect to be obedience. That is ONLY in your mind and the source of your failed judgement.
Actually...yes. That's what obedience means -- to follow a command. Failure to do is disobedience.
James wrote that 1 sin means we broke the entire Law. Do you not get that? Isn't that clear to you?
If I give my kid a list of 5 things to do, and she flat-out ignores me on 1 of them...she is disobedient even if she does the other 4.
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