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See, I think that means men loved the darkness (which is their sin), rather than the light (Jesus). Verse 20 says they aren't afraid of the light, but rather what the light reveals (their sin). That's why people reject Christ today. No one wants to admit they're a sinner in need of a savior.
I understand. I think its a complex issue, Jimmie.
Sin comes with its own built in negative consequences, physical and emotional and psychological. But, often, the very sin that is causing us pain is also the thing we turn to to try to alleviate that pain because that is all we know. So, yeah, the thought of that thing being removed from us can deter us from receiving light. So, in that sense I agree with you that we love our darkness.
I think the passage encompasses this idea when it says that people are afraid that their deeds will be reproved by the light. When we're in the darkness, our thinking is so distorted. We beat ourselves up for being weak and not being able to get our life together, and we assume God will beat us up, too ... Chastise and punish us. We think God is like us and perhaps like people we may have dealt with: harsh, judgmental, unforgiving, vengeful. If that is what you think light is, of course you would run from it.
So the Spirit of God told you Paul was incorrect in that letter to the Romans?
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No, the Spirit clearly indicates that there are some issues in the perceptions of whoever penned those passages. You can tell by the fruit.
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Fancy way of saying the Apostle Paul is wrong.
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Actually, it's a fancy way of saying that I doubt that Paul wrote it.
True believers will never actually confront the authorship issues, nate. The whole house of cards their faith is based on is anchored to a belief in the orthodoxy they have been indoctrinated with. It is not amenable to reason or logic or reality.
No, actually, it is not. You believe it to be the same because of your unrealistic assessment of the Bible, but to make you happy I will say that if Paul DID write it, he was wrong.
True believers will never actually confront the authorship issues, nate. The whole house of cards their faith is based on is anchored to a belief in the orthodoxy they have been indoctrinated with. It is not amenable to reason or logic or reality.
By the same token, if that passage is true, your theology comes tumbling down. Haven't I seen you quoting Paul?
By the same token, if that passage is true, your theology comes tumbling down. Haven't I seen you quoting Paul?
You've seen me quoting passages attributed to Paul also......,when the Spirit confirms the truth of the passages.
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