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Old 03-23-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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What you've done is taken pieces of scripture and neglected to provide people here the proper context of those scriptures. A tactic that Satan himself used against Jesus in the wilderness.

Wait a minute here. It appears you are comparing me to "satan"? Is that right?



None of the scriptures you posted have anything to do with God sending people to some fiery everlasting pit of torment. It is only your interpretation. Someone could say to you "Destroy your enemies!" You can take that to mean you should literally DESTROY your enemies. Or you could take that mean "make your enemies your friends." Both interpretations would be "destroying your enemies". But the spirit would guide you into the latter interpretation because it is God-like. (God IS Love.) It follows the path of love.

Non-love is on the path to destruction.
The non-love that is inside of you. and everyone else.
HUMAN BEINGS are not being destroyed.
Can you not FATHOM forgiveness, mercy, kindness, gentleness?


As Jesus hang on the cross, brutalized, dying... "Father forgive them...
Is that not enough?
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:21 AM
 
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Wait a minute here. It appears you are comparing me to "satan"? Is that right?



None of the scriptures you posted have anything to do with God sending people to some fiery everlasting pit of torment. It is only your interpretation. Someone could say to you "Destroy your enemies!" You can take that to mean you should literally DESTROY your enemies. Or you could take that mean "make your enemies your friends." Both interpretations would be "destroying your enemies". But the spirit would guide you into the latter interpretation because it is God-like. (God IS Love.) It follows the path of love.

Non-love is on the path to destruction.
The non-love that is inside of you. and everyone else.
HUMAN BEINGS are not being destroyed.
Can you not FATHOM forgiveness, mercy, kindness, gentleness?


As Jesus hang on the cross, brutalized, dying... "Father forgive them...
Is that not enough?
Satan has always wiggled his way into the conversation of God's people. Even Peter who was the first to confess that Jesus was the Messiah was twice a victim of Satan's influence (Once when he said that Jesus would not go to die and Jesus told Satan to get behind him. Then again when Peter denied Jesus 3 times). What you are professing is anathema to the Gospel as preached in it's entirety. You are stretching the truth. Be careful that you don't lead others into a pit and end up with innocent blood on your hands. What you are espousing is contrary to the very words of Jesus Christ.


Mark 16 14 Later, He appeared to the Eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table. He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who saw Him after He had been resurrected. 15 Then He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


11 Now the Scripture says, Everyone who believes on Him will not be put to shame, 12 for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, since the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on Him. 13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. 14 But how can they call on Him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about Him? And how can they hear without a preacher?


Jesus offers the gift but He does not force anyone to take it. Our choices save us or condemn us.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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Jesus offers the gift but He does not force anyone to take it. Our choices save us or condemn us.
Clearly you do not believe that Jesus is our Savior since you think that your choices save you. Try to understand this: We have nothing to do with our salvation. That is ALL Jesus and it is finished.
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Old 03-25-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Clearly you do not believe that Jesus is our Savior since you think that your choices save you. Try to understand this: We have nothing to do with our salvation. That is ALL Jesus and it is finished.
Absolutely!!! We are GOD'S workmanship. All we can do is LET GO and LET GOD and work out what HE works in. God is GOOD!
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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Mark 16 14 Later, He appeared to the Eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table. He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who saw Him after He had been resurrected. 15 Then He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
11 Now the Scripture says, Everyone who believes on Him will not be put to shame, 12 for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, since the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on Him. 13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. 14 But how can they call on Him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about Him? And how can they hear without a preacher?
Jesus offers the gift but He does not force anyone to take it. Our choices save us or condemn us.
Please keep in mind Mark chapter 16 ends at verse 8.
KJV Bibles added on those spurious verses missing from ancient biblical manuscripts.
Please notice there are No corresponding cross-reference verses or passages after verse 8 as with the rest of Mark.
The style of writing also changes after verse 8, thus showing another writer inserted those additional verses.
Even Jerome and Eusebius believed Mark 16 ended at verse 8.
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Clearly you do not believe that Jesus is our Savior since you think that your choices save you. Try to understand this: We have nothing to do with our salvation. That is ALL Jesus and it is finished.
What did the people of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 choose to do with their salvation ?

What did Joshua choose according to Joshua 24:15 ?

What choice was given at Deut. 30:19 ?_____________
All can choose to embrace the teachings of Jesus or not.
If one chooses Jesus but rejects his teachings, then he is Not really choosing Jesus.
Those who choose Jesus follow the admonition at Philippians 2:12 to work out one's salvation with fear and trembling.
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Old 03-25-2015, 05:03 PM
 
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Clearly you do not believe that Jesus is our Savior since you think that your choices save you. Try to understand this: We have nothing to do with our salvation. That is ALL Jesus and it is finished.
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Absolutely!!! We are GOD'S workmanship. All we can do is LET GO and LET GOD and work out what HE works in. God is GOOD!
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What did the people of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 choose to do with their salvation ?
What did Joshua choose according to Joshua 24:15 ?
What choice was given at Deut. 30:19 ?_____________
All can choose to embrace the teachings of Jesus or not.
If one chooses Jesus but rejects his teachings, then he is Not really choosing Jesus.
The OT does not apply to us since Christ. The only thing that is in our hands is our sanctification . . . NOT our salvation. We can choose to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't . . . or NOT.
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Those who choose Jesus follow the admonition at Philippians 2:12 to work out one's salvation with fear and trembling.
If you have ANY fear and trembling in your heart . . . you corrupt the love we are supposed to have. Fear casts out love and love casts out fear. Choose wisely.
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