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if it really makes you feel good to think that, than by all means think so.
frankly, it makes just as much sense or more to think otherwise---that after trying to follow what she likely believes are the commands and example of Christ (Who forgave his killers, BTW) for many years that she should continue to try doing the same EVEN in pain and suffering--and if so, hopefully all of us who try to be Christians will be able to do the same in our sufferings.
....if her "god" had only protected her like a "loving", "Caring", "all powerful", "all knowing" "god" should have done, this poor 70 year old nun wouldn't have to suffer as you suggested.
you seem to be operating on the illogical (from practical experience) premise that Christians or believers of any sort will be protected from any and all suffering and don't think that anybody here believes that for one minute---we all wish that the world was otherwise but it ain't and that's (especially in this case) MAN's fault and not GOD's. again, lots of Christians (and other people of faith) like the nun were and are trying to work in the world to make it better as Christ told them to do even at the risk of persecution and just plain bad things happening---what's your side on a large organized scale and specifically in the "name" of "no god" doing to make it better in a practical way in this case???
you seem to be operating on the illogical (from practical experience) premise that Christians or believers of any sort will be protected from any and all suffering and don't think that anybody here believes that for one minute---we all wish that the world was otherwise but it ain't and that's (especially in this case) MAN's fault and not GOD's. again, lots of Christians (and other people of faith) like the nun were and are trying to work in the world to make it better as Christ told them to do even at the risk of persecution and just plain bad things happening---what's your side on a large organized scale and specifically in the "name" of "no god" doing to make it better in a practical way in this case???
all i'm saying is that you should question your claim that your "god" is 'all powerful' and 'all loving'. Again, if he/she/it loved his "creations" and cared about them, he/she/it would protect them (especially from rape in the case of a devout nun! )
you'd protect your children if they were getting 'raped'...right? why dosn't your "god" do the same if the nun was supposedly his child?
How can you say such an utterly wicked and sick thing?
Learn something???l At the expense of the poor Nun?
what if it was your mother instead of the nun? what if she was the one faced with those men, about to rape her? would you say the same thing? would you think that there's something to be "learned" at the expense of your mother? or daughter?
I think you're seriously overplaying your hand. You're agenda against belief in God is pretty obvious and you didn't even respond to the rest of my post.
Humanity is capable of figuring things out for ourselves. Sometimes, we have to be confronted with the ugliest aspects of humanity in order for good people to be outraged. We look for ways to stop such things from happening anymore. India's rape culture is currently sitting squarely under the spotlight of international scorn and that sows the seeds of change. Consider that Sati used to be the cultural norm in India. Now it's illegal and highly taboo.
In the end, this life is tiny compared to the rest of eternity. The nun will be fine. Her attackers will have to face God's justice for what they have done. This life is filled with unfairness. Bad people prosper. Good people suffer. That is the nature of this life and it is up to humanity to make it better. But the next life will make up for all that unfairness. I do not envy the nun's attackers when they receive what's coming to them.
I'm going to disregard all further responses from you that are so short, poorly thought out and sensationalized. I'm going to assume that you're just trying to kick over the proverbial anthill and not trying to have an actual discussion.
Notwithstanding the fact that people have been expecting God to protect against evildoers long before this incident, I guess the question is... why this thread title merits that particular smiley.
sorry, you can beat that "why don't He protect the ones He loves" straw man to death but don't think anybody of the Christian persuasion is buying it (though we would to have that kind of "insurance policy")---it's NOT all about the body (which goes away anyway sooner or later for both holy saints and evil sinners and the rest of us hovering in-between) it's about the soul that Christians are concerned "...do not fear those who can kill the body but are UNABLE to kill the soul...".
the fact that you may reject such a supposedly primitive concept of an immaterial something inside every person that is the true essence and identity of that person is neither here or there---by and large Christians DO believe it and their practice (including acts of forgiveness and mercy to those who harm us) are based on that belief---saving one's (or someone else's body/life is always good----saving "my" or someone else's soul is infinitely better!!!
Notwithstanding the fact that people have been expecting God to protect against evildoers long before this incident, I guess the question is... why this thread title merits that particular smiley.
it's not a smiley. look closer.
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Originally Posted by georgeinbandonoregon
sorry, you can beat that "why don't He protect the ones He loves" straw man to death but don't think anybody of the Christian persuasion is buying it (though we would to have that kind of "insurance policy")---it's NOT all about the body (which goes away anyway sooner or later for both holy saints and evil sinners and the rest of us hovering in-between) it's about the soul that Christians are concerned "...do not fear those who can kill the body but are UNABLE to kill the soul...".
the fact that you may reject such a supposedly primitive concept of an immaterial something inside every person that is the true essence and identity of that person is neither here or there---by and large Christians DO believe it and their practice (including acts of forgiveness and mercy to those who harm us) are based on that belief---saving one's (or someone else's body/life is always good----saving "my" or someone else's soul is infinitely better!!!
it's not "beating that straw man to death...". It's stating a legitimate questions (if you believe in that "god").....one for which no answer seems to exist among you fine folks.
the answer is He doesn't have to act or intervene (at least in the way you're demanding that He should) to "prove" His love or His power and we do not expect Him to do so and Christians are (and must be) o.k. with that. they will always try to pray for His mercy and help in any and all things BUT they "know" by faith that His help will come in His way and His time---that's it and all of it and whether you (or I or anybody else) think that's cool or rational or none of the above is ultimately irrelevant in the great scheme of things.
your "mileage" is obviously different on this one and likely the question or the answer will never be agreed on this forum and maybe even in this life---but maybe we can both hope that someday and somehow BOTH of us will come around to whatever the TRUTH really is.
The OP isn't actually serious. If they were then they'd have some kind of response to what happens when you take their idea to its logical conclusion: Every human being under non-stop mind control by God, incapable of ever doing anything of their own free will.
If God must be expected to intervene every time somebody is doing something bad, then to be fair he must intervene every single time anyone does or even thinks anything bad. That would require God to permanently control every single one of us, 24/7.
yes, thought I asked him at some point how did he expect the God he doesn't believe in to act---all the time ("24/7"), none of the time or just when we wanted Him to come in and strictly according to our direction and purpose---don't think he really answered that one
that said, I admit that it's probably a hard question for him and ALL of us to answer to our complete satisfaction--think we all wish we had someone who would always be there to do things for us exactly as we wanted when we wanted it---but we are NOT the bosses here and God IS so He gets to call the shots on these kind of things and we have to live our lives in the assumption that He knows best what to do for us----wow, living by faith can be a hard row to hoe, sometimes!!!
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