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How would you have known about that if you never read about it in the bible?
Also, it didn't occur outside of God's intention.
Eusebius you're falling for the same overreach that Catholics fall for when people criticize them for worshipping Mary. The Catholics tend to jump to the ridiculous conclusion that their critics hate Mary. You are jumping to the ridiculous conclusion that we hate the Bible. We don't hate the Bible. Actually, we treasure it. It records the true God's interaction with humanity spanning thousands of years. It is the only first-hand source recording the life of Jesus Christ that we know of.
I can still love the Bible without believing that it is sufficient, inerrant, perfect or complete. And none of us actually hates the Bible. We just accept it for what it really is: A book of paper and ink written by imperfect human beings and recopied by hundreds and hundreds of other imperfect human beings. The Bible isn't perfect, though it's remarkably well preserved all things considered. Yes, God had a hand in that. The Bible is there to point us to the source of all light and truth: God himself.
How would you have known about that if you never read about it in the bible?
. Even as I was typing the post I suspected this response because it is a deflection that allows you to avoid the point. The answer is, I wouldn't have known that story, but perhaps the point of the story would have been revealed to me in some other way, if necessary.
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Also, it didn't occur outside of God's intention.
I didn't say it did. Like I said, people seem to get what they ask for in this regard, and they pay a heavy price if what they ask for is an authority to stand between them and God.
'The Bible is the communicated Word of God set in writing. God's Word has been communicated in various ways throughout human history. By direct communication as when God in a theophany spoke to Adam, Abram, and Moses for example, through angels, through dreams and visions, through the prophets, through Jesus, through the apostles, and through the written Scriptures both Old and New Testaments.'
It is not necessary to misrepresent others.
Okay so casting aside all Biblical references that say or infer "word of God" (since it references any and all revelation and not a paper and ink book), can you please show me that the Bible actually teaches:
. Even as I was typing the post I suspected this response because it is a deflection that allows you to avoid the point. The answer is, I wouldn't have known that story, but perhaps the point of the story would have been revealed to me in some other way, if necessary.
Ps. Ironically, I'm not sure the point of those stories is something I would have needed to hear nearly as much if I hadn't been raised as a biblical inerrantist or embraced that belief system so whole heartedly and for so long.
Okay so casting aside all Biblical references that say or infer "word of God" (since it references any and all revelation and not a paper and ink book), can you please show me that the Bible actually teaches:
That the Bible is complete.
Col_1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God,
which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God -"
. Even as I was typing the post I suspected this response because it is a deflection that allows you to avoid the point. The answer is, I wouldn't have known that story, but perhaps the point of the story would have been revealed to me in some other way, if necessary.
Not really.
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I didn't say it did. Like I said, people seem to get what they ask for in this regard, and they pay a heavy price if what they ask for is an authority to stand between them and God.
Jesus stands between us and God.
When Christ sets up His kingdom on earth He is going to put His 12 disciples between Him and the 12 tribes. So having a person over another isn't always bad. It just has to be the right one.
'The Bible is the communicated Word of God set in writing. God's Word has been communicated in various ways throughout human history. By direct communication as when God in a theophany spoke to Adam, Abram, and Moses for example, through angels, through dreams and visions, through the prophets, through Jesus, through the apostles, and through the written Scriptures both Old and New Testaments.'
It is not necessary to misrepresent others.
But do you believe that revelation comes through people today? If so, you may have appreciation for the Word of God as updated for the times we live in. I think, however, you believe revelation was completed with the Nicene Council, because you weigh every event in the world and judge all people in the world by 2000+ year-old writings. And if you don't, please inform us what is happening in world events that are not part of a biblical "plan," or who you judge differently now because of current spiritual revelation.
Wonderful!. So anything written after Paul is bogus. I have long suspected that about the Revelation.
Aye, and that would include 2nd Peter as well. But never doubt the ability of a fundamentalist to find a verse to take out of context in order to protect the modern day cult of inerrancy.
Col_1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God,
which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God -"
EXACTLY! It's precisely as I expected! You can't do it. You need "word of God" to mean "the Bible" or for it to at least mean "the written word". But if, as I've demonstrated, Word of God means revelation then what does this passage mean? it would need to mean to complete the revelation from God. since we already know that this is not the last book of the Bible to be written, what else might Paul have meant? with the correct context that word of God equals revelation from God, we can get a clearer idea of what he might have meant. Probably, "to offer a more complete view of the revealed will of God."
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