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Old 03-29-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: US
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28 View Post
How ever wonderful Franklin Graham might think of himself, other christian leaders do not share the same image..

Seems his racism and bigotry are showing:


Franklin posted--

“Listen up—Blacks, Whites, Latinos, and everybody else. Most police shootings can be avoided. It comes down to respect for authority and obedience. If a police officer tells you to stop, you stop. If a police officer tells you to put your hands in the air, you put your hands in the air. If a police officer tells you to lay down face first with your hands behind your back, you lay down face first with your hands behind your back. It’s as simple as that. Even if you think the police officer is wrong—YOU OBEY. Parents, teach your children to respect and obey those in authority. Mr. President, this is a message our nation needs to hear, and they need to hear it from you. Some of the unnecessary shootings we have seen recently might have been avoided. The Bible says to submit to your leaders and those in authority “because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account.”

Open Letter to Franklin to STHU!

Maybe Franklin would do well to heed his own advise about AUTHORITY and RESPECT the PRESIDENT?
Yea, Just do whatever the heck you want...
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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I have never listened to any of Franklin Graham's messages and so don't know anything about his views. But regarding this matter, while you might not like the way he said it (I have no problem with it) but there was nothing racist or bigoted about what he said. He included everyone in his statement, and he is correct in that when a police officer tells you to put your hands up, or stop, or lie on the ground, then you do it. It is a matter of respect for the authority of the police officer. And it is definitely to your benefit to obey. Too many people have no respect for authority, and law and order.

This isn't an issue of having to choose between obeying God rather than man. It's simply an issue of obeying the legitimate authority of the police officer under the principle of divine establishment who is doing his job as a law enforcement officer. And while some police officers may be too quick to shoot, and while there may be some genuinely bad apples who wear a badge, that is not the issue.
Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2] Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4] for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5] Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
The people who wrote an open letter to Graham objecting to what he said are out of line. And anyone who refuses to comply with the lawful commands of a police officer is in the wrong.
Wow!!!...Yet another reply from you that I agree with...I believe it is mostly ego and self-ceteredness, rebelliousness, that lead people to defy the Law...Yes, they will give an accounting of the way in which they have governed, whether it be right or wrong...These people in authority are not pointing a gun at you and demanding you to renounce your faith, but pointing a gun at you and ordering you to comply with a lawful order...Everything can be sorted out after this has been accomplished...
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Old 03-29-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I have always thought that Franklin Graham is in his line of work for the money and ONLY for the money. In short, he trades on his father's name.
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Old 03-29-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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What does this even have to do with this topic? He gave his opinion about a social issue in this country. There is nothing more to analyze.
Sorry you have the inability to recognize how your fundamentalist buddies tag team to destroy freedom in America. Let me further add to your puzzlement. Gov Mike Pence signed into Indiana law the "freedom of religion act" which restricts the freedom the GBLT community is entitled to in a country that is supposed to refrain from passing religious laws. Franklin Graham, Silvia Allen, Mike Pence, and fundamentalists who do not stand against this crap are all either directly or complicitly working to destroy the real freedom of the nation.

The response of true freedom loving Americans should be to boycott doing business in those states (like they are now in Indiana with Pence like a deer in the headlights), withhold money from Graham "charities," as his charity comes with a hook on the end of it, and I wish to God real Christians would stand outside the Arizona office of Silvia Allen to protest her suggestion that federal law "require" people attend church.

Graham is full of ungodliness at suggesting people bow down to potential immorality practiced by governments like Indiana's. But then it is in keeping with the ugly history of "bible-based" believers who defended slavery as well. As one Presbyterian fundamentalist theologian wrote in the early 19th century, "Abolition will be the death of the nation," indicating that the Bible taught that the enslavement of blacks was because of the sin of Ham." Apparently a kind of "original sin" concept with blacks as the recipients.

It's pretty easy to recognize the sin involved in combining religion and politics. It's certainly not original. It's certainly not Godly. And it certainly has been disastrous historically.

I disagreed with some of Billy's religion, but he was never a malicious fundamentalist. Like the thread title, Franklin ain't like his daddy.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Sorry you have the inability to recognize how your fundamentalist buddies tag team to destroy freedom in America. Let me further add to your puzzlement. Gov Mike Pence signed into Indiana law the "freedom of religion act" which restricts the freedom the GBLT community is entitled to in a country that is supposed to refrain from passing religious laws. Franklin Graham, Silvia Allen, Mike Pence, and fundamentalists who do not stand against this crap are all either directly or complicitly working to destroy the real freedom of the nation.

The response of true freedom loving Americans should be to boycott doing business in those states (like they are now in Indiana with Pence like a deer in the headlights), withhold money from Graham "charities," as his charity comes with a hook on the end of it, and I wish to God real Christians would stand outside the Arizona office of Silvia Allen to protest her suggestion that federal law "require" people attend church.

Graham is full of ungodliness at suggesting people bow down to potential immorality practiced by governments like Indiana's. But then it is in keeping with the ugly history of "bible-based" believers who defended slavery as well. As one Presbyterian fundamentalist theologian wrote in the early 19th century, "Abolition will be the death of the nation," indicating that the Bible taught that the enslavement of blacks was because of the sin of Ham." Apparently a kind of "original sin" concept with blacks as the recipients.

It's pretty easy to recognize the sin involved in combining religion and politics. It's certainly not original. It's certainly not Godly. And it certainly has been disastrous historically.

I disagreed with some of Billy's religion, but he was never a malicious fundamentalist. Like the thread title, Franklin ain't like his daddy.
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