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Old 05-10-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Former salvation is through animals ------Ephesians 2:8.

Salvation today is through the cross-----Ephesians 2:8.

Former salvation is through circumcision ------Ephesians 2:8.

Salvation today is through John 8:31.

Former salvation is through high priests-----Ephesians 2:8.

Salvation today is through Matthew 4:4.

Former salvation is through the keeping of the 10 commandments------Exodus 20.

Salvation today is through the keeping of the 10 commandments-----Matthew 5.

Former salvation is through cleaning laws-----Ephesians 2:8.

Salvation today is through Matthew 5:17-20.

Former salvation is through slavery-----Galations 3:28.

Salvation today is through Luke 4:4.

Former salvation is through income discrimination----Galations 3:28.

Salvation today is through 2 Timothy 3:16.

Former salvation is through racial discrimination------Galations 3:28.

Salvation today is through Christian bible believer segregation-----2 Cor. 6.

Former salvation is through tithing-----Malachi 3:8.

Salvation today is through tithing-----Malachi 3:8.

Former salvation is through late debt fees on missing tithing-----Ephesians 2:8.

Salvation today is through helping the preachers of God to make a living off
the gospel------1 Cor. 9:14.

Former salvation is though overcoming evil with evil.

Salvation today is through overcoming evil with good----Romans 12:17.

Former salvation is through the keeping of the 2 greatest commandments.

Salvation today is through the keeping of the 2 greatest commandments.

Salvation today is through John 5:39.

Salvation today is through 1 Cor. 8:2.

Salvation today is through John 3:16.

Salvation today is through Romans 10:9.

Salvation today is through 1 John 1:7-9.

Salvation today is through Romans 6:1.



Since salvation is through John 8:31 then 1 Peter 3:3 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then 1 Timothy 6 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then John 3:5 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 2 Timothy 3:16 then 1 Cor. 11 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then 1 Cor. 14:34-35 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 5:17-20 then Romans 7:2-3 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 Cor. 8:2 then 2 Timothy 2:15 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 8:31 then 1 John 2:27 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then Matthew 15:14 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then Matthew 7:6 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 2 Timothy 3:16 then Matthew 10:34-37 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then Romans 12:3 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 5:17-20 then James 5:20 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 Cor. 8:2 then Romans 2:1 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 8:31 then Luke 6:26 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then Luke 14:23 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then Luke 16:9 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 2 Timothy 3:16 then 2 Cor. 6 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then Luke 12:15 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 5:17-20 then Titus 3:10 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 Cor. 8:2 then 1 Timothy 2:9-14 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 8:31 then 1 Cor. 7 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then 2 Thess. 3:10 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then 1 Thess. 5:12 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 2 Timothy 3:16 then Amos 3:3 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then Ephesians 4:14 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though Matthew 5:17-20 then Ephesians 5:22-23 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 Cor. 8:2 then Hebrews 4 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 8:31 then Jeremiah 17:9 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then Jeremiah 3:15 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though Luke 4:4 then Psalms 1 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though 2 Timothy 3:16 then Romans 10:17 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then James 1:5 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though Romans 6:1 then 1 Timothy 5:9 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 John 1:7-9 then 2 Cor. 4:3 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 5:17-20 then Jeremiah 10:23 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 1 Cor. 8:2 then John 14:26 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through John 8:31 then John 17:9 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then John 4:24 comes with the territory to be saved when paganism on Dec. 25 is going on.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then Colossians 2:8 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through 2 Timothy 3:16 then 1 Timothy 5:8 comes with the territory to be saved when folks raising families on poverty income today.

Since salvation is through John 5:39 then Psalms 8:4 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Romans 6:1 then Psalms 107:2 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though 1 John 1:7-9 then Psalms 119:105 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 5:17-20 then 1 John 2:15 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though 1 Cor. 8:2 then John 8:44 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though John 8:31 then 3 John 2 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Matthew 4:4 then Proverbs 20:1 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is through Luke 4:4 then 2 Peter 1:20-21 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though 2 Timothy 3:16 then Romans 13:1 comes with the territory to be saved.

Since salvation is though John 5:39 then 1 Peter 4:1-4 comes with the territory to be saved.



Etc. , Etc. , Etc.




Time to click with 100 % bible believers today ? Amos 3:3 and 2 Cor. 6 and Psalms 133:1

Short cut Christianity is played out ? John 8:32

Cross believer religion is played out ? John 8:32

Lover religion is played out ? John 8:32


Played out enough says Matthew 5:17-20 ?

Played out enough says Romans 6:1 ?

Played out enough says 2 Cor. 6 ?
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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If you're referring to eternal salvation from the penalty of sin, no. Emphatically not. Eternal salvation is and has always been by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,


Before Christ historically went to the cross, a person was saved by believing the promise of a coming Savior.
Job 19:25 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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If you're referring to eternal salvation from the penalty of sin, no. Emphatically not. Eternal salvation is and has always been by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Before Christ historically went to the cross, a person was saved by believing the promise of a coming Savior.
Job 19:25 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Your right that grace has been the book since the old time and new time today.
Grace only never been the book or why animals for sin ?
Grace only never been the book or why Romans 6:1 ?

Ephesians 2:8 is the cross today vs. animals before
Never about grace only the whole time
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Old 05-10-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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SALVATION TODAY is via the LOVE of CHRIST and rejection of dogma...
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:57 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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If you're referring to eternal salvation from the penalty of sin, no. Emphatically not. Eternal salvation is and has always been by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,


Before Christ historically went to the cross, a person was saved by believing the promise of a coming Savior.
Job 19:25 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Your right that grace has been the book since the old time and new time today.
Grace only never been the book or why animals for sin ?
Grace only never been the book or why Romans 6:1 ?

Ephesians 2:8 is the cross today vs. animals before
Never about grace only the whole time
Tony, no one was ever saved by anything other than by grace through faith in Christ. No one was ever saved by the works of the Law, including animal sacrifices. The animal sacrifices were merely types or pictures of the future sacrifice of Christ on the cross. As already shown, Abraham (who lived before the Mosaic Law was given) was justified and therefore eternally saved on the basis of faith. Not on the basis of works (Romans 4:1-5). The same is true of David (Romans 4:6). Now, after having been justified and therefore eternally saved on the basis of faith alone, Abraham's faith grew as he matured spiritually, and his faith was brought to full development when many years later he was willing to sacrifice Isaac (Genesis chapter 22; James 2:21-23), but he had long since been eternally saved on the basis of grace through faith alone.

You ask, ''Why Romans 6:1?'' Paul asks the rhetorical question, ''Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?'' And of course he answers his own question with an emphatic ''may it never be.'' Paul was saying that grace is not a license to sin. Having stated that justification comes by grace through faith (Romans 5:1-2), and that an increase in sin is met by an increase in grace (Romans 5:20), Paul than denied that grace was a license to sin.

But the believer's eternal salvation is never in jeopardy because of his sins, no matter how much he may sin, because sin is met by grace, and on the cross Jesus paid the penalty for any sin the believer will ever commit (John 1:29; 1Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 Peter 2:24).

Eternal salvation has always been on the basis of grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Not on the basis of works, obedience, commitment, or anything else. Those things - works, obedience, commitment, belong to the believer's spiritual life after having been eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, but are never the means of obtaining eternal salvation.
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