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To be a self-proclaimed 'enemy number one to the Christian'(that still just cracks me up), it appears you're unfamiliar with the book of Hebrews.
These arguments just keep getting weaker and weaker.
For anyone having an issue with the scenario in the post above, just a cursory reading of Hebrews should suffice.
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I never said I was. Apostates are labeled as enemies of the Christian faith, the foremost enemies. They gave the label. Not those who turned their backs on the Christian myth
Why do you do this, by the way? You drop a comment here and there but you never present a defense or any kind. What about the book of Hebrews that excuses what was done in the Old Testament?
I never said I was. Apostates are labeled as enemies of the Christian faith, the foremost enemies. They gave the label. Not those who turned their backs on the Christian myth
Why do you do this, by the way? You drop a comment here and there but you never present a defense or any kind. What about the book of Hebrews that excuses what was done in the Old Testament?
I've defended every comment. The fact you deny that proves you're not reading what I post...but that's cool....I'm not offended by you at all.
What about the book of Hebrews, you ask?....man, where to start.....first, I'd advise a true seeker to read the whole thing....but for you....let's see....
I guess if you only want to read excerpts, start with Chapter 7 with an emphasis on and around 11, 18, 19?...somewhere near the middle.....(and what do you mean 'excuses', I don't understand that)
Cg81, I think we pointed out already that the Book of Revelation concerned itself with 'things that will shortly come to pass.' You CAN'T beat around that any other way UNLESS you resort to verbal gymnastics ("One days is a thousand, etc").
Next, there is NO prophecy in the Bible that prophesies Jesus' birth in Bethlehem. Mich 5 is easily disqualified by the time you get to verse 5 of the chapter, but who reads that far?
I thought revelations was written about during the time of NERO.
I thought revelations was written about during the time of NERO.
No. Nero was about 25 years before Revelation (no "s"). Revelation, originally "The Apocalypse of John" was written about 90 ad, probably in Ephesus, a City of 250,000 then (in present day Turkey) where the Temple of Artemis, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World was located.
My opinion, of course, will simply set people of a different mind set off the deep end. What purpose does it serve? He is who I believe him to be. What matters is how he and God speak in my heart and what they say I should share with the world.
It is not a simple answer, but Jesus is not the Jesus that Saul invented. That may be shocking to some, but it is simply true. He is the Jesus of whom his brother, James, wrote (although the Epistle of James we have today is not likely by the same person without substantive revision at later dates). But we can glean some of what the brother of Jesus said from Acts and from Josephus. And it is clear that the Jesus of whom they spoke was not the sacrificial lamb who brings salvation by his death that Paul created.
Created? Yes, Paul never met Jesus, but he was raised in Tarsus where Mithraism was a strong religious practice - where being washed in the blood of the god brought salvation.
Finding the real Jesus is quite a challenge because he is in the gospels, but the gospels are also heavily tainted with the Pauline religion. Gleaning the true Jesus takes work.
Jesus is also found in the Nag Hammadi texts, particularly the Gospel of Thomas which predates any of the other gospels, including Mark (the earliest canonical gospel). And Mark - the earliest gospel in our Bible today, was initially anonymous (the name Mark added at a later date) and it originally ended with Jesus laid in the tomb and the tomb found empty - no resurrection stories whatsoever.
And so, you see, Jesus the Christ is a more difficult figure than the mixed mythologies approved in the 4th century (when your Bible was finalized) may paint. I urge people to dig deeper. Then you tell me who Jesus was and is and will be. I already know the orthodox ideas.
Do not forget how bad John and luke are for describing the truth. Luke has a lot with Paul.
Do not forget how bad John and luke are for describing the truth. Luke has a lot with Paul.
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Luke's story of Paul differs from what Pauls says about himself in numerous places. It is a great example of how Luke could not get Paul right, but somehow people believe he got Jesus right.
And John - well John was almost not included in the Bible! The fourth gospel was almost Thomas... And the Apocalypse of Peter was almost included, too.
The study of such things is fantastic - everyone should do it!
Luke's story of Paul differs from what Pauls says about himself in numerous places. It is a great example of how Luke could not get Paul right, but somehow people believe he got Jesus right.
And John - well John was almost not included in the Bible! The fourth gospel was almost Thomas... And the Apocalypse of Peter was almost included, too.
The study of such things is fantastic - everyone should do it!
And the Book of Jude was one time not included, the book of Daniel has 12 or 14 chapters depending on whether you are Catholic or not, the Ethiopian canon includes the Book of Enoch but not the Protestant or Catholic Bibles and the Catholic Bible includes the Book of Maccabees which other canons do not include. Was the spirit confused?
Luke's story of Paul differs from what Pauls says about himself in numerous places. It is a great example of how Luke could not get Paul right, but somehow people believe he got Jesus right.
And John - well John was almost not included in the Bible! The fourth gospel was almost Thomas... And the Apocalypse of Peter was almost included, too.
The study of such things is fantastic - everyone should do it!
I thought Luke, Paul, and Barnabas believed they were apostles of Jesus. Paul and luke disagreed with Jesus brother James about how the first Christian should follow jesus.
Yes, and who would YOU believe? The brother of Jesus or a man who never met him (Paul)?
Inquiring minds... and all that.
I find it very interesting that only Paul's cannon uses first person. He love that word "I" a lot. He only uses it about 1400 times. Most Christian do not understand that Paul wanted to be important and Jesus brother James did not agree with him at all.
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