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"The Lord of Hosts will make unto all people a feast of rich food, a banquet of matured wine well refined. And He will destroy the face of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God shall wipe away tears from off all faces;....for the Living Life has spoken it."
Note:
1. The Feast is for all peoples and all nations.
2. The Table is spread with the finest wines and the richest foods.
3. The festivities prepared of the Lord lead to the veil that is upon all nations and all peoples being removed. "Then their eyes were opened..."
4. Our God consumes death. He swallows it up and swallows it down. He swallows up death in victory.
5. The Lord wipes away all tears from all faces.
6. The Endorser of the Plan= The Living Life "who has spoken it."
"We must all die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored."
May I ask: how are your beliefs "quite the opposite" of what CelticLady described about those who reject Christ in this lifetime?
- byron
Rejecting Christ and never having heard His name are two different things.
Rejecting Christ will have consequences. If one has never heard the name of Christ, apparently it has something to do with being a part of Creation and realizing the existence of a Creator.
"We must all die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored."
The 'pat answer' is in Romans and throughout the New Testament.
And I never implied that anyone will be judged by their own laws and traditions. That's an outright lie.
What I said was: "It's God's call!"
Clear enough?
You said:
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Originally Posted by alpha
What she is really saying(I think) is that the folks that have never heard the name of Christ are apparently held to a different standard in that Creation itself speaks to the existence of God.
I drew a parallel. Apologies if that offended, none was intended.
Well what is odd, we assume a different standard but you also go on to say in the post to firstborn888 the folk who reject Christ. How does one reject Christ? Is it one evangelical meeting someone sits in and does not respond to an alter call? Someone happens to flip through the TV and comes upon TBN?
It seems to deny John 6:44 and what Jesus said "I am the way, NO MAN..."
He did not say "I am a way...."
This is the problem with taughtology. Statements, inferences are made without really understanding where or why.
I am certain you and I can agree (I guess) that we had a John 6:44 experience. At the juncture of "choice" there was no real choice, you merely accepted the gift of grace, unless you think you chose God. He chooses us, not the other way round. Maybe folk who are exposed to regular church get more "chances" than others yet horror of horrors if our salvation depended on our choice in the first place.
Jesus preached on hell more than anything. ...that and money.
looks like a warning to me not to be taken lightly...
Yup He sure did, the pastor told me so. Let us look at the bible shall we?
Although this is an illustration to demonstrate the error of this teaching, hell was not taught/referenced to more than kingdom of heaven/God
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References to "hell" in the gospels (e-Sword word search on hell NKJV)
Matthew 5:22; Matthew 5:29; Matthew 5:30; Matthew 10:28; Matthew 11:23; Matthew 16:18; Matthew 18:9; Matthew 23:15; Matthew 23:33; Mark 9:43; Mark 9:45; Mark 9:47; Luke 10:15; Luke 12:5; Luke 16:23;
References to Kingdom of in gospels (e-Sword search on "kingdom of" NKJV)
Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 5:3; Matthew 5:10; Matthew 5:19; Matthew 5:20; Matthew 6:33; Matthew 7:21; Matthew 8:11; Matthew 10:7; Matthew 11:11; Matthew 11:12; Matthew 12:28; Matthew 13:11; Matthew 13:24; Matthew 13:31; Matthew 13:33; Matthew 13:43; Matthew 13:44; Matthew 13:45; Matthew 13:47; Matthew 13:52; Matthew 16:19; Matthew 18:1; Matthew 18:3; Matthew 18:4; Matthew 18:23; Matthew 19:12; Matthew 19:14; Matthew 19:23; Matthew 19:24; Matthew 20:1; Matthew 21:31; Matthew 21:43; Matthew 22:2; Matthew 23:13; Matthew 25:1; Mark 1:14; Mark 1:15; Mark 4:11; Mark 4:26; Mark 4:30; Mark 9:1; Mark 10:14; Mark 10:15; Mark 10:23; Mark 10:24; Mark 10:25; Mark 11:10; Mark 12:34; Mark 14:25; Luke 4:43; Luke 6:20; Luke 7:28; Luke 8:1; Luke 8:10; Luke 9:2; Luke 9:11; Luke 9:27; Luke 9:60; Luke 9:62; Luke 10:9; Luke 10:11; Luke 11:20; Luke 12:31; Luke 13:18; Luke 13:20; Luke 13:28; Luke 13:29; Luke 14:15; Luke 16:16; Luke 17:20; Luke 17:21; Luke 18:16; Luke 18:17; Luke 18:24; Luke 18:25; Luke 18:29; Luke 19:11; Luke 21:31; Luke 22:16; Luke 22:18; Luke 23:51; John 3:3; John 3:5
References to heaven in the gospels, particularly by Jesus (e-Sword search on "heaven" excluding "kingdom of" NKJV)
Matthew 5:12; Matthew 5:16; Matthew 5:34; Matthew 5:48; Matthew 6:1; Matthew 6:9; Matthew 6:20; Matthew 7:11; Matthew 10:32-33; Matthew 18:18; Matthew 19:21; Matthew 23:9; Matthew 24:35; Matthew 28:18; Mark 10:21; Mark 11:25-26; Mark 12:25; Mark 13:31; Luke 6:23; Luke 10:20; Luke 12:33; Luke 15:7; Luke 15:21; Luke 18:22; Luke 21:11; John 6:31; John 6:32
Well from that, Jesus was obviously more focused on Kingdom and heaven rather than hell. Let's see what the Apostles had to say:
Hell
James 3:6; Revelation 1:18; Revelation 6:8; Revelation 20:13; Revelation 20:14
Hmm, strangely few verses.
Heaven? (esp. references to Heaven as where God is)
So what do you think, was Jesus Kingdom orientated or Hell orientated?
I have not done money yet but it sure would bring up the same results.
Blessings
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