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Old 08-24-2015, 05:18 AM
 
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Consider: Jesus didn't speak English AFAIK, so he never said eternal.
The concept can be expressed in many languages.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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Just what kind of Life do you think that Jesus was talking about? He didn't come to bring physical life because they/we already have it for a time. No, He came to give His Life for us which is Eternal Life in this age, in the age to come and forever and ever because it is Eternal Life which by nature is not measured in time but always is.
Adam could only have eternal life IF he did Not break God's Law.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life - Genesis 3:19
Adam, like the rest of creation, was created mortal. Adam was Not death proofed.

So, the same hold true for the sheep-like ones of Matthew 25:31-32 at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth.
They can gain everlasting life right here on earth starting with Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rule over earth.
That millennial day is the ' age to come ' in which righteous mankind can gain life forever on earth - Psalm 37:11,29

When Jesus was on earth Jesus did Not resurrect anyone to heaven only back to physical life on earth.
That was a small sample of what Jesus will be doing on a grand global scale during his millennium-long day of ruling over earth - Psalm 72:8. Then people like King David - Acts 2:34 - and Daniel - Daniel 12:2,13 - will be brought back to healthy physical life on earth with the prospect of gaining everlasting life, or eternal life on earth forever.
As for the wicked they will be destroyed ( perish ) forever.- Psalm 92:7; 2nd Peter 3:9
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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Those on the right of Jesus are blessed and have eternal life in heaven.
Those on the left of Jesus are cursed have eternal death \ damnation in hell (the place prepared for Satan and his demons). Matthew 25
Please post where the humble sheep-like ones alive on earth have eternal life in 'heaven'.
Please post where the haughty goat-like ones end up in hell.

Can you think of anyone righteous being in hell ?_______
The day Jesus died Jesus went to biblical hell - Acts 2:27
Satan was never in the Bible's hell. Satan ends up in ' second death '- Revelation 21:8

What was the dead Jesus doing while in biblical hell but only sleeping in death - John 11:11-14
Jesus would have learned that sleep-like condition of the dead from the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Doesn't Ecclesiastes 9:5 teach the dead know nothing ?_______
Don't the Psalms teach sleep in death ? _______Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4

2nd Peter 3:9 gives us two (2) choices: repent or perish ( be destroyed )
There is No destruction in the Bible's hell because the Bible's hell is mankind's temporary grave.
Please notice Revelation 20:13-14 that everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up' (resurrected ) out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death '. That ' second death ' is the symbolic ' everlasting fire ' for Satan.

We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' taking place on earth - Matthew 25:31-32 when the ' sheep ' can remain alive on earth, and continue living on earth right into the start of Jesus' 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth when Jesus will have earthly subjects from sea to sea - Psalm 72:8
The ' sheep ' can gain eternal life right here on a beautiful paradisaical earth as Eden originally was.
The majority of mankind will be resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth with the opportunity to gain eternal life on earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

The everlasting punishment - Matthew 25:46 - is destruction ( annihilation ) for the wicked - Psalm 92:7; 2nd Thess. 1:9
That everlasting fire is symbolic of being: destroyed forever.
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:02 PM
 
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Yes, there are plenty of verses where Jesus clearly teaches eternal hellfire for anyone who doesn't believe in him. But since those verses don't support belief in a Nice Social Activist Jesus, the liberal Christians simply ignore them or explain them away somehow.
In KJV English the word Gehenna was translated into English as hellfire.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where thing were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol for: destruction. Such as the wicked being destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

The majority of mankind - John 3:13 - died before they ever heard of Jesus so have could they believe in Jesus?
With the exception of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the dead are freed or acquitted from their sins - Romans 6:7
Not meaning they are now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick,
Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick.

Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection....
That resurrection will take place on earth during Jesus' coming 1,000 year governing over earth.
Only those followers of Jesus - Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10 - have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven.
The majority of mankind will be resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth and can continue to live on earth if they obey God's commands. Like Adam was offered, they can gain everlasting life on earth IF they obey God.
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Old 08-24-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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Consider: Jesus didn't speak English AFAIK, so he never said eternal.
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The concept can be expressed in many languages.
A concept is an abstract idea, or a general notion.
However, he never used the word for eternal.
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Old 08-25-2015, 05:01 AM
 
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A concept is an abstract idea, or a general notion.
However, he never used the word for eternal.
He did, but you are free to believe He did not.

How long is the life Jesus promised to His faithful? When does it expire?
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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Consider: Jesus didn't speak English AFAIK, so he never said eternal.
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There is no place called Hell, and Satan is not an entity.
Demonology is merely the demonic belief system of man.

And the other god of Christianism.
Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Be kind of moot for a warning and a deterrant if hell was not a real place where the description certainly does testify of the suffering as eternal since the worm will not die nor the fire be quenched.

Since God's promises are eternal, then so are His judgments; otherwise, if obliterated to become non-existent, then where is God's judgment on such a person if he or she ceases to exists?

Society's places hardened criminals behind bars for life and even give the death penalty for some to insure protection from these hardened criminals for society's goal in having a better life without evil.

The soul is eternal; and that is the reality for why God's promises & judgements are eternal too.

Sinners that do not want to believe in God, loves the sins that they do and they do not want Jesus to deliver them from their sins to be reproved of them, but those sick of their own sins and want to be free of them to have a better life can call on Jesus to save them from their sins & live with God forever as God is good and everything that is not good, which is hell, is where sinners are running to with their sins only because they do not want to give them up.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is why believing in the Son of God is a work of God the Father as He draws men that want to be saved from their sins unto the Son; just as He knows those that prefer their evil deeds rather than be reproved of them is why the Father does not reveal the Son to them so they can believe; because they do not want to believe, loving their evil deeds more than what is good that they laugh about hell as if they would rather be there & "party" with their friends than be saved.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

1 Timothy 1:15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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THE ENVELOPE PLEASE . . .

If it were eternal, then the word "Aidios" without beginning or end would have been used.

However, it’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end. As the words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (age-during, which is the word used) kalasin (punishment - chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with punishment or life for that matter.

Who is the real Satan?

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Old 08-25-2015, 11:26 PM
 
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He did, but you are free to believe He did not.

How long is the life Jesus promised to His faithful? When does it expire?
It begins with immortality, do you have that yet?

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Old 08-25-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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The soul is eternal; and that is the reality for why God's promises & judgements are eternal too.
The soul is not eternal, for surely you will die.
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