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Old 10-22-2015, 07:09 PM
 
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If there wasn't a law saying don't commit adultery you wouldn't know what committing adultery is. For apart from the law sin is dead

For I would not have known what adultery really was if the law had not said, “You shall not commit adultery.

The very thing that tells you not to sin makes you aware of sin to desire to commit sin. The solution being the righteousness of God made aware to you so you desire to live in it. Whatever you're looking at owns you.......When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things
Are you seriously trying to tell me that is it weren't for the commandment 'do not commit adultery' that I wouldn't have the desire to sleep with your wife???...Is this what you're trying to tell me?...
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that is it weren't for the commandment 'do not commit adultery' that I wouldn't have the desire to sleep with your wife???...Is this what you're trying to tell me?...
No i never said that, i said you would not believe it to be sin if there wasn't a law saying it was a sin. The law makes you aware of sin, grace and truth makes you aware of righteousness. One brings condemnation.... the other justification. I have no doubt in my mind even though i do not know you that you struggle with condemnation, for placing yourself under the law brings that, even if you kept 90% of it.
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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No i never said that, i said you would not believe it to be sin if there wasn't a law saying it was a sin. The law makes you aware of sin, grace and truth makes you aware of righteousness. One brings condemnation.... the other justification.
Not aware that tit is a sin, but that it is wrong...Whether the law said it was a sin or not would not preclude my wanting to sleep with your wife...You're missing the point here ol' chap...There are those out there, that without the law would inadvertently cause much havoc...It is not the law that causes one to sin...The law is a restraint on our anarchic nature, don't you see, ol' boy?...
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Not aware that tit is a sin, but that it is wrong...Whether the law said it was a sin or not would not preclude my wanting to sleep with your wife...You're missing the point here ol' chap...There are those out there, that without the law would inadvertently cause much havoc...It is not the law that causes one to sin...The law is a restraint on our anarchic nature, don't you see, ol' boy?...
You are missing the point...... without the law you would not believe it is a sin anymore than you would believe driving 70 mph when there is no speed limit imposed. Paul got it perfectly right when he said that which i don't want to do i do.... try stop sinning....... i will give you from this moment til you go to bed tonight. If there is a law in place saying thou shall not, your focus will be on not doing what it saying not too........ you will fail for sure and be frustrated and bring yourself under self condemnation.... unless of cause you have the spirit of the pharisee and justify yourself and brush your sin under the carpet.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Why would God even give a law that is impossible to keep, only to turn around and punish those who dont keep it perfectly with death?

The commands of God are a guideline on how o live your life. If the law serves no purpose, we wouldnt need Jesus, because no law= no sin, so what would you repent to Jesus for sinning if there is no law.

You are only under the curse of the law if you are breaking it and reject the blood of Jesus for you sins.
As I have pointed out before, the basis for determining "sin" is different under the New Covenant. It is no longer "breaking the law," it is "missing the mark," and the "mark" now given is that agape or concern for the well-being of everyone that is the basis of the New Covenant.
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Old 10-22-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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As I have pointed out before, the basis for determining "sin" is different under the New Covenant. It is no longer "breaking the law," it is "missing the mark," and the "mark" now given is that agape or concern for the well-being of everyone that is the basis of the New Covenant.
So if a member of the congregation is engaging in something like sexual immorality and he doesn't really see it as wrong, what would be the proper way to love him?
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:40 PM
 
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As I have pointed out before, the basis for determining "sin" is different under the New Covenant. It is no longer "breaking the law," it is "missing the mark," and the "mark" now given is that agape or concern for the well-being of everyone that is the basis of the New Covenant.
Well, duh, the word for sin in Hebrew means missing the mark...Sooooo...
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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You are missing the point...... without the law you would not believe it is a sin anymore than you would believe driving 70 mph when there is no speed limit imposed. Paul got it perfectly right when he said that which i don't want to do i do.... try stop sinning....... i will give you from this moment til you go to bed tonight. If there is a law in place saying thou shall not, your focus will be on not doing what it saying not too........ you will fail for sure and be frustrated and bring yourself under self condemnation.... unless of cause you have the spirit of the pharisee and justify yourself and brush your sin under the carpet.
No, you are still missing the point...Just because I am told that I cannot do something does not mean that it makes me want to do it...
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:12 PM
 
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So if a member of the congregation is engaging in something like sexual immorality and he doesn't really see it as wrong, what would be the proper way to love him?
Mind your own business and make sure YOU do not engage in sexual immorality. Pray for him/her.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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So if a member of the congregation is engaging in something like sexual immorality and he doesn't really see it as wrong, what would be the proper way to love him?





explain to him how you see him as hurting himself or someone else
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