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How do you know your name is written I the Lambs book of life ?
Academics ? some one told you ? assumption ? What's your proof ?
How is Jesus Lordship demonstrated in your life? Good deeds? , obeying the law ? fallowing some man that's been elected ?
On judgment day what qualifies you as a son ? your academics ?church affiliation ? your good works ?
Personal claims do not force God ta accept .
Personal noncommittal faith that there is a God, is no better than a demon, that has no doubt of God's reality.
So what makes you better than a demon ?
Do you take direction from God real time ? or do you invent it as you go ? Like scriptures pick only what fits your agenda?
Matthew 7;21,22,23,
Jesus does not base the relationship on academics, but on obedience, that can only be known via the Holy Spirit, Jesus provided to teach in His place.
This is the narrow way , and why many of you dependent on the letter alone will miss it completely, attempting to use scriptures as a book of incantation, to manipulate God, rather than cooperate with Him.
It's not hard to see that Jesus, if you read his words carefully, did not consider his death to be an atonement for the sins of all mankind. That was a later wrinkle added to all the man-made theological baggage that shaped the doctrine of Christianity. Here are Jesus' own words proving he did not come to save all men:
1. Then Jesus said, “I was not sent except to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).
2. He expressly told them, “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel” Matthew 10:6
Yet a second time Jesus is stating his mission is to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" and no one else.
3. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's [lost sheep of the house of Israel] bread and toss it to the dogs. [Gentiles]" Matthew 15:26
4. "For the Son of Man came to give his life as a ransom for "many"." Mark 10:45
So in at least four places in the scriptures Jesus makes it plain his mission is to the Jews, and not even ALL the Jews but only to the lost ones. This would lead to several conclusions:
1. His purpose for coming wasn't to save all Jews, only the lost ones
Therefore:
2. He wasn't send to anyone outside the house of Israel
Therefore
3. If he openly states he has no mission to anyone other than the lost sheep of Israel, he is saying he has no mission or duty to benefit Gentiles in any way, shape or form
Therefore
4. Jesus admits, per Mark's "many" he didn't come to "give his life a ransom" for Gentiles.
Therefore
4. If he openly states he didn't come to die for Gentiles, then, and this is critical: his mission had nothing to do with redeeming mankind, but only getting the lost Jews of the house of Israel back on track to a proper way of thinking.
Therefore
5. This would make the belief of Jesus being the Son of God coming to earth to die a horrible death as an atonement for the sins of mankind completely bogus since Jesus clearly states he came to give his life a ransom for "many", not everyone.
Don't shoot the messenger, folks. You have it in Jesus own words his mission was to a select few, not to redeem or be an atonement for all of mankind.
You're right in saying that His own personal ministry was solely to the Israelites, but He did specifically commission His Apostles to take His gospel to every nation.
You're right in saying that His own personal ministry was solely to the Israelites, but He did specifically commission His Apostles to take His gospel to every nation.
Can't Nation can also be translated PERSON, as in PEOPLE in the region..
The Samaritans (Samaritan Hebrew: שוֹמְרִים Samerim "Guardians/Keepers/Watchers [of the Law/Torah]", Jewish Hebrew: שומרונים Shomronim, Arabic: السامريون Sāmeriyyūn) are an ethnoreligious group of the Levant, descended from ancient Semitic inhabitants of the region.
They were not Jews.
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The Samaritans are adherents of Samaritanism, an Abrahamic religion closely related to Judaism. Samaritans believe that their worship, which is based on the Samaritan Pentateuch, is the true religion of the ancient Israelites from before the Babylonian Exile, preserved by those who remained in the Land of Israel, as opposed to Judaism, which they see as a related but altered and amended religion, brought back by those returning from the Babylonian exile.
And they were not Jews.
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Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (two sons of Joseph) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi, who have links to ancient Samaria from the period of their entry into the land of Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the Samaritan polity of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include a line of Benjamin tribe, but it went extinct during the decline period of the Samaritan demographics. The split between them and the Judeans began during the time of Eli the priest when, according to Samaritan tradition, Judeans split off from the central Israelite tradition. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans
But they were not Jews. They were not of the nation of Israel. The OP states that Jesus claimed to ONLY come for Israel...yet Jesus actually spoke to the woman at the well. Weird, huh?
You almost got it right, Earl...However, Jesus was not G-d...He said he was sent by G-d...The movement that began would be what one would call the Reform Jews today...It may have been a movement of Jews that wanted a less strict form of Judaism...I'd say they were still Jews until Constantine got a hold of it...Judaism isn't a religion, it is a way of life...
There are strong reasons to doubt Jesus was the son of God. Everyone wants to believe the gospels are accurate. However, if you do some research you will find they were written by men who were not eyewitnesses. They relied on other gospels, and, apparently, their vivid imaginations. None of those missing gospels, recently discovered, mention the son of God. If you want to authenticate the gospels, you must address these historical facts.
You're right in saying that His own personal ministry was solely to the Israelites, but He did specifically commission His Apostles to take His gospel to every nation.
But they were not Jews. They were not of the nation of Israel. The OP states that Jesus claimed to ONLY come for Israel...yet Jesus actually spoke to the woman at the well. Weird, huh?
Yea, weird huh?...Jesus didn't deny her comment either...You said they were half Gentile and half Jew they weren't, the only way they would be half Jew is if their mother was a Jew and that would make them a Jew, period...They were Jews...Obviously you cannot comprehend the fact that they were the ones left behind to carry on the Judaism that formed there while those that came back from Babylon brought with them an altered form, weird huh?...
Joh 4:20 our fathers in this mountain did worship, and ye--ye say that in Jerusalem is the place where it behoveth to worship.'
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith to her, `Woman, believe me, that there doth come an hour, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father;
He didn't say that she was not a Jew, weird huh?...
That's salvation by works, arleigh, which is a clear contradiction of Paul's theology that man is saved by faith in Jesus and NOTHING ELSE!
"For by grace ye have been saved....not of works [obedience] lest any man should boast."
Anything beyond believing in Jesus as their Lord and Savior are filthy rags before the Lord.
Paul had no right to contradict Jesus on several issues. not only having to do with the law.
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