Is Jesus God or Son of God ? (punishment, dogma, Kingdom)

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

These?

Mat 10:20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
Joh 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Act 2:33 Therefore being exalted to the right of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you now see and hear.

Blessings

The holy spirit=God's active force that he uses to accomplish his purposes.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by alicenavada

The holy spirit=God's active force that he uses to accomplish his purposes.

Who is God? The Father? All the texts I quoted infer the HS is of the Father.

Mat 10:20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
Joh 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Act 2:33 Therefore being exalted to the right of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you now see and hear.

Blessings

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

Who is God? The Father? All the texts I quoted infer the HS is of the Father.

Mat 10:20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
Joh 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Act 2:33 Therefore being exalted to the right of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you now see and hear.

Blessings

Jehovah= The Father
Jesus = The Son
The Holy Spirit= God's Active Force...not a person but a power.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by alicenavada

The Holy Spirit= God's Active Force...not a person but a power.

alice, I don't have my NWT with me, does it interpret the pronouns associated with Holy Spirit as 'He' or 'it'?

[simpleton]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

alice, I don't have my NWT with me, does it interpret the pronouns associated with Holy Spirit as 'He' or 'it'?

It refers to the spirit as a He.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

alice, I don't have my NWT with me, does it interpret the pronouns associated with Holy Spirit as 'He' or 'it'?

Actually, I don't have my NWT on me right now either. But there are several different pronouns used in connection with the holy spirit. I'm using the NKJV currently, at my desk.

[inhisname]

Originally Posted by alicenavada

Jehovah= The Father
Jesus = The Son
The Holy Spirit= God's Active Force...not a person but a power.

There is one Lord and one Name.

"And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one" (Zech. 14:9).

The Father's name, too, is Jesus, revealed through the Son Jesus, as He inherited His name from the Father (Heb. 1:4). The whole family of God is named for the Father (Eph. 3:14-15), Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even all who have taken on Jesus' name through baptism (Gal. 3:17) and adopted by His Spirit (Romans 8:15).

Jesus is one with God (John 10:30) and Jesus is God (John 1:1).

God was manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16) and dwelt among us (John 1:10, 14).

The Spirit of God is God, not simply an active force (Acts 2:17, Romans 8:9). He dwells within us, and even prays for us (Romans 8:26). He is sent in Jesus' name, and brings all things back to our remembrance when we need (John 14:26). We are the temple in which God now dwells (1 Corinthians 3:16), no longer a temple made with hands. He dwells in us, through the Spirit of God (Acts 17:24).

There are three in heaven, The Father, The Word (which is Jesus Christ), and The Holy Ghost, and these three are One (1 John 5:7). The Spirit is mentioned here as being in Heaven with the Father and the Son. There is but One God and none else.

The Lord is One Lord (Deut. 6:4).

"Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" (Is. 44:24).

There is none else (Isaiah 45:5).

In Jesus,
Daniel.

[SeekerSA]

I still have a problem

God
Father = Jehovah
Jesus = Son
Holy Spirit

And then there are 4, God and Holy Spirit still seem not to have a "home"

The post I gave all the Father Authority scrips overwhelmingly suggest The Father is God and that is how the folk saw it back then with the Son subservient to the Father.

My son is my son and I will always remain his father, however we are both human beings, that is all that makes us common. My son could not "create" himself, it took my part in the equation. He may emulate me 100% but he still remains 100% himself. If I were god, the most he could ever be is a son that represents me at last 50% as I have to give my wife credit too. That 50% is in effect 100% me. Even when I die, he still is a son. Under traditional customs, of the OT, as heir, he would get everything as he is the eldest and carries my Surname.

See here we have a problem in parallels, even Jesus with the VB would only be 50% God as Mary contributed the other 50% (another topic)

Jesus received of the Father hence one would assume after His physical life was complete, that part of the Father was not taken away. The same Spirit He had, is available to us, the source being the Father. The Son never becomes the Father and never was. He was the Model Son we are to follow.

Blessings

[simpleton]

Originally Posted by inhisname

There is one Lord and one Name.

"And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one" (Zech. 14:9).

The Father's name, too, is Jesus, revealed through the Son Jesus, as He inherited His name from the Father (Heb. 1:4). The whole family of God is named for the Father (Eph. 3:14-15), Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even all who have taken on Jesus' name through baptism (Gal. 3:17) and adopted by His Spirit (Romans 8:15).

Jesus is one with God (John 10:30) and Jesus is God (John 1:1).

God was manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16) and dwelt among us (John 1:10, 14).

The Spirit of God is God, not simply an active force (Acts 2:17, Romans 8:9). He dwells within us, and even prays for us (Romans 8:26). He is sent in Jesus' name, and brings all things back to our remembrance when we need (John 14:26). We are the temple in which God now dwells (1 Corinthians 3:16), no longer a temple made with hands. He dwells in us, through the Spirit of God (Acts 17:24).

There are three in heaven, The Father, The Word (which is Jesus Christ), and The Holy Ghost, and these three are One (1 John 5:7). The Spirit is mentioned here as being in Heaven with the Father and the Son. There is but One God and none else.

The Lord is One Lord (Deut. 6:4).

"Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" (Is. 44:24).

There is none else (Isaiah 45:5).

In Jesus,
Daniel.

Well stated. I've been trying to explain this to everyone for the longest time. No one listens to me though.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by simpleton

Well stated. I've been trying to explain this to everyone for the longest time. No one listens to me though.

I agree that was great post. Hey don't worry they don't listen to me either