Is Jesus God or Son of God ? (hell, Bible, worship)

[godofthunder]

The biggest underlying problem with the Trinity is that if this doctrine was so definite and so important,
1.) Why do the Scriptures seem to keep contradicting the idea, then reaffirming, then re-contradicting?
2.) If the doctrine is of God and true, why wasn't it explained in the Bible IN DETAIL so nobody could misunderstand?

I am still at odds with myself over this issue. It's the Arian Controversy all over again -- only I hope nobody lynches me if I try to defy the Trinitarian Doctrine at the end of the day. Here is a fairly Trinitarianist biased summary of those events: Arian controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[4Pillars]

IF No man hath seen the Almighty God, the Spirit of Love, at anytime, then Jehovah could not have been the invisible Father - but the Son of God - because Jehovah himself proclaimed that he had appeared (physically) unto Abraham, Isaac and Moses in person in the past -- establishing his covenant and to be seen by them. Look and Read…

Exodus 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: v3 And I appeared (physical) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, BY the name of God Almighty, BUT by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

God Bless

[spm62]

Originally Posted by 4Pillars

IF No man hath seen the Almighty God, the Spirit of Love, at anytime, then Jehovah could not have been the invisible Father - but the Son of God - because Jehovah himself proclaimed that he had appeared (physically) unto Abraham, Isaac and Moses in person in the past -- establishing his covenant and to be seen by them. Look and Read…

Exodus 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: v3 And I appeared (physical) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, BY the name of God Almighty, BUT by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

God Bless

Christ is the image of the invisible God.
He is also the spokesman.
All things are through him.
He is the one through which humans relate to God the Father.

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

John 10:30 "The Father and I are one." I believe Jesus is God and He is the Son of God.

Originally Posted by Marks

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58)

No question about it.

A lot of debate about what scripture teaches about the Trinity, but I believe that the views here reflect what the WHOLE of scripture teaches concerning Jesus. I believe as ILNC said, that Jesus is God and He is the Son of God.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by kaykay

A lot of debate about what scripture teaches about the Trinity, but I believe that the views here reflect what the WHOLE of scripture teaches concerning Jesus. I believe as ILNC said, that Jesus is God and He is the Son of God.

Me too..but I don`t believe he is the Father. He can`t be his own son...can he? No wait,of course he can. We can`t understand it,it makes no logical sense but since the church tells us it`s true we must just accept it on faith. You know I`m being sacarstic in a loving way Kay

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

Me too..but I don`t believe he is the Father. He can`t be his own son...can he? No wait,of course he can. We can`t understand it,it makes no logical sense but since the church tells us it`s true we must just accept it on faith. You know I`m being sacarstic in a loving way Kay

It makes sense to me, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by spm62

Me too..but I don`t believe he is the Father. He can`t be his own son...can he? No wait,of course he can. We can`t understand it,it makes no logical sense but since the church tells us it`s true we must just accept it on faith. You know I`m being sacarstic in a loving way Kay

It doesn't strike me as particularly odd that God's nature is a wee bit beyond the confines of our puny brains. I try to let God's Word interpret my beliefs rather than what "seems" logical to me. Of course, you would say that's not what it says and we'd be off.... Again, this IS one of those areas we are just not gonna agree on!

[spm62]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

It makes sense to me, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Was Jesus the Father or the son?

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

Was Jesus the Father or the son?

I believe Jesus is God, here on earth He was God the Son.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I believe Jesus is God, here on earth He was God the Son.

who was playing father while he was on earth/