homosexuality (Leviticus, churches, Jesus Christ, verses)

[freedom]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Read up..

HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS

Effeminate could mean lacking virility..

Then again.. it might not translate into effeminate.. so you are arguing about something that might not even be correct..

the translation might be "soft". Again.. more translation issues..

Gay can mean happy or merry, and it can mean homo-sex.
So whats your point.
Most discourses have a context, that helps to frame the definitions of words.

Steve and Andy had a gay time at the church social, dancing with the ladies and singing songs

Steve and Andy went to a gay bath house after their ice skating perfomance and knew eachother.

See, it's simple to understand when the complete context is available.

freedom

[buildings_and_bridges]

Originally Posted by tx_spirit

...I will abide by a government so long as it does not conflict with the laws of God and what He teaches on morality. So for gay marriage, if the government says it's ok then I see a big problem coming because the Catholic Church will not support gay marriage and if the government states that it is illegal to deny gay marriage then we have a conflict of interest in regards to separation of church and state.

I never knew that anyone intended to try to force the Catholic Church to marry people. Gay people should have the legal right to be married...how does that translate in being married in any church? Does the Catholic Church marry professed atheists?

The first sentence I quoted there suggested that you would prefer a theocracy. Your government has to abide by your god.

[buildings_and_bridges]

Originally Posted by freedom

Gay can mean happy or merry, and it can mean homo-sex.

Fruitless as it is for me to say this to you again, I'll say that those are not the only two definitions.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by freedom

Were you the guy that had someone else always do your homework for you?

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Does the source bother you.. or what the source says?

I'm guessing.. a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by buildings_and_bridges

Fruitless as it is for me to say this to you again, I'll say that those are not the only two definitions.

Okay, there are exceptions to nearly every rule, so what do you believe is the percentage of gays that are celibate (sp?). compared to those that are active sexually?

godspeed,

freedom

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by freedom

Gay can mean happy or merry, and it can mean homo-sex.
So whats your point.
Most discourses have a context, that helps to frame the definitions of words.

Steve and Andy had a gay time at the church social, dancing with the ladies and singing songs

Steve and Andy went to a gay bath house after their ice skating perfomance and knew eachother.

See, it's simple to understand when the complete context is available.

freedom

Still doesn't answer the question. Effeminate is the word in question.. not only in definition but as in .. if thats even the word to be translated.

Nice to know that you think all ice skaters are gay though.. like peeling an onion.. you just keep revealing yourself..

Anyway back to context..

The context is your whole basis rests on two words.. two words that to this day biblical scholars struggle with.

But you.. you have it figured out. Congrats.

[buildings_and_bridges]

Originally Posted by freedom

Okay, there are exceptions to nearly every rule, so what do you believe is the percentage of gays that are celibate (sp?). compared to those that are active sexually?

godspeed,

freedom

Does it matter if there is indeed a percentage that exists? Also, in the cases of the ones who do have sex, how do you figure that sex is what their relationships are about? You imply that these relationships are all about sex when you say gay = homo-sex.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Still doesn't answer the question. Effeminate is the word in question.. not only in definition but as in .. if thats even the word to be translated.

Nice to know that you think all ice skaters are gay though.. like peeling an onion.. you just keep revealing yourself..

Anyway back to context..

The context is your whole basis rests on two words.. two words that to this day biblical scholars struggle with.

But you.. you have it figured out. Congrats.

Look, you keep putting words into my mouth, where did i say that all ice skaters are gay. Dohhh!!!!

What biblical scholars don't understand your two words?

freedom

[freedom]

Originally Posted by buildings_and_bridges

Does it matter if there is indeed a percentage that exists? Also, in the cases of the ones who do have sex, how do you figure that sex is what their relationships are about? You imply that these relationships are all about sex when you say gay = homo-sex.

That implication is not accurate, the human body can only have so much sex.
So it is silly to think that I am implying that there is nothing else going on.
The sex and lust part is the sin, not going to the grocery store together, or working, or walking the dog....

godspeed,

freedom

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by freedom

Look, you keep putting words into my mouth, where did i say that all ice skaters are gay. Dohhh!!!!

What biblical scholars don't understand your two words?

freedom

Well like you said yourself..

"Most discourses have a context.."

back to your question..

biblical scholars that don't know..

David Bartlett, professor at Yale Divinity School
Krister Stendahl, ex-dean of Harvard Divinity School

those two seem reasonable enough..