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Old 09-16-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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And that is the remnant that Jesus said that he was only sent to...




Not faith in a messiah...G-d said to Zeke, "I have reserved for myself 7,000 that have bowed their knee to Ba'al"....That is all it says, it says nothing about a Messiah...
Only in the flesh was He sent to the Jews because salvation is to the Jew first but then to the Gentle as the Old and New Testament says but now in Spirit He draws all men because He must witness to all. Unfortunately not all are chosen because all do not respond, wanting their own life style apart from Him.

God started from an inner/small circle, the Jews, to concentrate His work for all to see, to provoke the Gentles to jealousy. And now He is found by nations that were not called by God to begin with. They are blessed mightily in spite of their failings so as to provoke the Jews to jealousy, to want those blessings, to be saved.

And don't forget, while in the flesh even though He did not go to the Gentles, some came to Him, and He could not deny them there need. After all, He is the savior.

This from the Tanach, Joel chapter 3
1."And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy; your elders shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions."

All is all peoples but "your sons and your daughters certainly refers to the Jews" but that does not preclude that the Gentles would not also partake of the same benefits.

And here in Joel 3:5 We have "whoever" and of coarse to the Jewish survivors/remnant that the Lord shall call.
5."And it shall come to pass that whoever shall call in the name of the Lord shall be delivered, for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be a deliverance, as the Lord said, and among the survivors whom the Lord invites."
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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The ones who are apart of the little flock( 144,000) from Jesus day--are ex Jewish persons--They left the religion headed by the Pharisees--- and accepted Jesus as the messiah--- 2 of the tribes in revelation are not 2 of the tribes in the ot--these are spiritual Israel--they serve the God of Israel= a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah) and accept Jesus as the messiah--literal Israel today--still rejects Jesus as the Messiah--these are cut off( Matt 23:37-38) of being Gods chosen. Jesus cut off those in his day that would not accept him as well. his followers began a new religion--the Pharisees even called them a sect of the Nazarene. God did leave the door open to all of Israel--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah.

In the real Hebrew writings at Zech--where you find--LORD( All capitols) Gods personal name belongs--YHVH(Jehovah)--every place in the ot where--GOD-LORD is found, nearly 6800 spots.
Have news for ya...The Jews of the Christian sect never left Judaism...You are totally off the page with this...

His name is not Jehovah and I can prove that...And no, they are not cut off...It is interesting that Paul states that they are still G-d's chosen...


You're gonna been in for a big shocker...
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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"I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.""
Here's what it actually says:

18And I will leave over in Israel seven thousand, all the knees that did not kneel to the Baal and every mouth that did not kiss him."


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This Scripture in the New Testament is pointing out the comparison between those of the Old Testament who did not bow the knee to Ba'al, to this present era [New Testament] where the promise of Messiah is fulfilled and who have not bowed the knee but to God and His Messiah.
That's a stretch...

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Yes, God came to earth in bodily form, subject to time and space as we are but having the Spirit without measure, lived a perfect life and is willing and able to give a measure of His unlimited measure for our salvation of all kinds. He proved that without Him/The Tree of Life we still partake of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and that the Good part/limited self righteousness is not enough to see clearly that He is the Lord of Glory in human form. The Gospel is the Power of Truth to open our eyes but many just refuse even when they "see".
Not really...When did he get this spirit?...

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By allowing His own death/crucifixion/rejection by both Jew and Gentle, He now has the last word and we are without defense. His mercy if we can "see" and acknowledge rejecting Him, now becomes the Atonement for our lack and opens the door of our soul for Him to fill us up with His Righteousness more and more by Grace.
And you don't see how ridiculous this sounds?...
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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Only in the flesh was He sent to the Jews because salvation is to the Jew first but then to the Gentle as the Old and New Testament says but now in Spirit He draws all men because He must witness to all. Unfortunately not all are chosen because all do not respond, wanting their own life style apart from Him.
Who sent him?...

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God started from an inner/small circle, the Jews, to concentrate His work for all to see, to provoke the Gentles to jealousy. And now He is found by nations that were not called by God to begin with. They are blessed mightily in spite of their failings so as to provoke the Jews to jealousy, to want those blessings, to be saved.
Provoke the Gentiles to Jealousy???...The Gentiles didn't give a tinker darn about them...They were happy with their own gods...And the bible gives not implication of that...

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And don't forget, while in the flesh even though He did not go to the Gentles, some came to Him, and He could not deny them there need. After all, He is the savior.
What Gentiles?...Name them...


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This from the Tanach, Joel chapter 3
1."And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy; your elders shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions."

All is all peoples but "your sons and your daughters certainly refers to the Jews" but that does not preclude that the Gentles would not also partake of the same benefits.
Joel has nothing to do with Gentile blessings...It has to do with G-d's Chosen people...And you should read the whole of Joel and see what G-d will do to the Gentiles...And while your at it, read Isaiah 56 to understand how the Gentiles are blessed...

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And here in Joel 3:5 We have "whoever" and of coarse to the Jewish survivors/remnant that the Lord shall call.
5."And it shall come to pass that whoever shall call in the name of the Lord shall be delivered, for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be a deliverance, as the Lord said, and among the survivors whom the Lord invites."
Again, this is talking to the Jews about the Jews...There is nothing there that speaks of the Gentiles...
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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Come on, Richard . . . you don't really believe the Almighty God of everything actually demands that you perform 613 tricks (or however many you think is required) to be an acceptable "pet."
I'd say that He expects you to be working on it...
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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Only Jesus is the Messiah--David was called anointed so was Saul--they weren't Messiahs, neither are the 144,000.
No, David was not, he was called Moshiach, IOW, Anointed one...You can't dance your way out of this one...


Messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎; mashiach, mashiah, moshiah, or moshiach, "anointed [one]") is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, although not a Hebrew, is referred to as "God's mashiach" in the Bible.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism

So, there you go...You were wrong...
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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No, there is no such a thing an ex-Jewish person. A Jew who receives the Messiah will be called a Christian but he is still a Jew and more because as Jesus said, JN 4:22 "You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." ROM 11:17 And if some [Jews] of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
ROM 11:18 "Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you."


The New Covenant is not a different religion but rather a completion of what God promised "to the Jew first and then to the Gentle." The New Covenant is not a set of different laws but rather a fulfillment in Christ to keep the Law, even as it is written in ROM 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Grace is given to put away lawless behavior. The lawless will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Why do you think the Scripture says repent of your sin/lawless deeds and believe the Gospel of salvation from sin.
The Gentiles are to become Jews according to Isaiah 56...And according to your Olive Tree parable...
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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No, David was not, he was called Moshiach, IOW, Anointed one...You can't dance your way out of this one...


Messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎; mashiach, mashiah, moshiah, or moshiach, "anointed [one]") is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, although not a Hebrew, is referred to as "God's mashiach" in the Bible.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism

So, there you go...You were wrong...

It was you who stated one anointed is Messiah.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Have news for ya...The Jews of the Christian sect never left Judaism...You are totally off the page with this...

His name is not Jehovah and I can prove that...And no, they are not cut off...It is interesting that Paul states that they are still G-d's chosen...


You're gonna been in for a big shocker...

Matt 23:37-38--( speaking of the Israelite religion)--Jerusalem,jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her, how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings, but you people did not want it.38-look, your house is abandoned to you.= cut off.---- read all of 23--Jesus condemns them as wicked. And by rejecting the Messiah to this day, they are still what Jesus told them in 23.
The renting of the banner at the moment Jesus died signified they are cut off as Gods chosen.

Its you who is in for the big shock.

God did leave the door open to all--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah. The Israelite religion has refused for over 1900 years. It will not change--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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The Gentiles are to become Jews according to Isaiah 56...And according to your Olive Tree parable...
Yes, but according to the New Covenant that includes both Jew and Gentle. You know that according to Jeremiah, a New Covenant was promised. I ask you, when is that to be? I say it has been in a affect for many years now but you are missing that fact.

This is from the Tanach in Jeremiah 31
30."Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will form a covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, a new covenant.

Concerning who is a Jew:
What truly makes a man a Jew is that he is dedicated to God. After all that is why the Jews were chosen, not because they are more righteous or a greater number of people but because of Grace and what God would do for them so that all including the Gentles would see that dedication to Him would have great reward.

ROM 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." The circumcision ritual given to Moses and of coarse his dissentients was called a sign of the Everlasting Covenant.

Now, whereas a New covenant was promised, how then can the Old be called everlasting seeing that a New was to replace that one. A sign is to point the way to something/a destination if you will and once you are there the sign is not needed.
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