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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
To say any sin is ok, is against what scripture says. It's not just the gay life, Fornicators, this is also embraced by the world, it's a joke on TV shows, thought of as nothing in movies, It too has become acceptable.
Call me a bigot, call me what you want, the scriptures are clear. Is it ok to hate the sinners, no, Jesus sat with them. In the end there is salvation for all.
That question is kind of like asking someone when they stopped beating their wife. It's a loaded question based on a false premise.
I never chose to be a heterosexual. It's who I am, and how God designed me. The root of your question is if God designs or makes people homosexual. He doesn't. He makes male and female. The better question is when I chose to live in sexual morality according to God's will. That is every day. Sexual sin is sin--be it homosexual or hetero. If I smugly declared that I'm straight, then proceeded to commit adultery, I'm a hypocrite.
I don't care if a person likes men or women. It is irrelevant.
God not only designed people to be homosexual, He decreed it as found in natural law. There are over 500 species that have homosexual elements including horses, monkeys, penguins, lions, and on and on. You can learn how you are twenty years behind times by reading this book:
Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.
Used to be those who followed god in a book said homosexuality. Now that it's been proven even animals, birds, fish, and worms exhibit that natural behavior all of you have to find a new way to make it evil. What you've done is ignore that God created all these species and it doesn't seem to bother Him. It's obviously not a conscious choice in the animal world. And since YOU didn't make a choice regarding your sexuality, how can you be so bigoted as to think human homosexuals chose theirs. I've ready many, many stories of homosexuals pleading with God to turn them straight so they wouldn't have to face your (a collective your) condemnation.
I think God made homosexuals in order to see how a true child of God would treat them. They are His Ha-satan to accuse "Christian" bigots of "Lord when did we see you afflicted, or hungry, or in prison, and did nothing?"
If you didn't have to make a decision about being heterosexual, what gall you have to say others would choose a life that has hisorically been hell on earth, where they were burnt in Vienna until their screams so upset the merchants that it was decided to chop their heads off before burning their bodies. Why would they make a choice that would allow some of the "finest conservative religious minds" to call for their imprisonment and execution right here in America? Why would they chose a life where there are still numerous states that allow legal discrimination against them in places like daycare and schools?
In the May, 2018 issue of Patheos are these words:
Quote:
In another case, the senior pastor for a megachurch in Tennessee, Brainerd Baptist Church Senior Pastor Robby Gallaty, made headlines after telling his huge congregation that “gays must be put to death” because God commands it.
Claiming that being gay is a choice like drug abuse, Pastor Gallaty told his large congregation that Christians should never stop discriminating against homosexuals, arguing that gays could choose to be straight if they only accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Like it or not humanity sees you linked to this guy---and that makes any message of "God loves everybody,"
sound completely ridiculous coming from you. Oh, don't take my word for it, listen to LGBTQ people like geekigirl who knows her Bible better than either of us.
P.S. I suspect you HAVE committed adultery. Didn't Jesus point out it wasn't the act but the thought that proved one guilty? He did that so Pharisees couldn't escape with the "letter of the law."
I have not physically committed adultery in my 47 years of marriage, but I can't claim innocence either---because God is interested in the heart, not the "facts."
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
To say any sin is ok, is against what scripture says. It's not just the gay life, Fornicators, this is also embraced by the world, it's a joke on TV shows, thought of as nothing in movies, It too has become acceptable.
Call me a bigot, call me what you want, the scriptures are clear. Is it ok to hate the sinners, no, Jesus sat with them. In the end there is salvation for all.
Okay, I'll call you a bigot. Now tell us to whom those words in Romans chapter one were written. Sinners? Or Christians--active Christians? And why did Paul only have to send that message to Rome? What was the culture in Rome that demanded such harsh words.
Right now you've admitted to being a bigot. But you don't have to remain one. You can use your brain and study the culture surrounding why those words were written. I hope you can be enlightened. If not you are not only a bigot, you enable those "conservative Christians" calling for the legalized death of homosexuals. We've got one right here in Colorado, not 20 miles from my house---pastor Kevin Swanson. Look him up and determine if he is the kind of person whose value system you wish to enhance.
This thread has certainly taken some twists and turns since I made my contribution many posts ago.
I've had a couple of very close gay male friends. It was always understood that they were gay, but their intimate relationships with men were no more a part of our friendship than my intimate relations with my wife. My absolute best friend in college, the guy who led me to Christ, ended up rotting in prison for molesting a little boy. I was astonished beyond words, but I remained as supportive as I could.
I'm not impressed with arguments about what wonderful Christians many gay people are. Many otherwise wonderful Christians are deeply involved in pornography, adultery, pedophilia and other proclivities that are completely inconsistent with a Christian lifestyle. I've battled proclivities of my own for many years, and I know how deeply rooted they can be. I had once assumed that homosexuality was entirely genetic, a matter of birth, but I'm now convinced by the evidence that this isn't true; there may be a genetic component, but there are many other factors that can be addressed in the same way that other destructive proclivities are addressed. Being homosexual isn't like being Black.
The Christian community doesn't celebrate and embrace in the name of tolerance any other form of sexual immorality. We encourage those who are involved in it to deal with it prayerfully and with the help of the Holy Spirit. Tolerance is neither the 11th Commandment nor the highest Christian ideal.
Christians believe that the sexual relations God intended and blesses are those between a man and a woman in the context of a marital union. A homosexual union doesn't meet this definition any more than many other unnatural or non-marital unions I could describe. Moreover, there is solid evidence that homosexual unions aren't the functional equivalent of heterosexual unions in many respects.
I don't hate homosexuals, and neither does God. They don't anger me at all. I have no problem with the law extending to them and their unions all the rights and privileges extended to heterosexual couples if this is what society wants. I do believe that homosexual practices are abhorrent to God. I wouldn't tolerate an unrepentant homosexual in a church leadership position any more than I would tolerate an unrepentant adulterer. I believe homosexuals should strive, prayerfully and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to overcome their proclivities just as I strive to overcome mine. I don't regard a homosexual union as a marriage and never will. I will not be bludgeoned into celebrating homosexuality in the name of tolerance any more than I will be bludgeoned into celebrating adultery or child molestation.
If those who aren't Christians wish to celebrate homosexuality and regard it as equivalent to heterosexuality in every respect, so be it. This isn't an option for a Christian. Where I think the real battle is talking place isn't in Christians hating or being irrationally angry with homosexuals but in the demand of the gay community and its supporters that Christians abandon their Christian beliefs, or at least shut up, in the name of tolerance.
I hope you don't celebrate or have real acceptance o fat people in church either, as that is gluttony. And there are 36 Bible verses (six times as many as same sex relations) condemning that.
Maybe you have never seen the gigantic sign over Heaven's Gate:
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
To say any sin is ok, is against what scripture says. It's not just the gay life, Fornicators, this is also embraced by the world, it's a joke on TV shows, thought of as nothing in movies, It too has become acceptable.
Call me a bigot, call me what you want, the scriptures are clear. Is it ok to hate the sinners, no, Jesus sat with them. In the end there is salvation for all.
The scriptures are clear, and that makes you a hypocrite.
Are we both to agree that God defines sin? If so, then why do you guys think you can call half the law unrighteous and the other half righteous? Y'all don't make no sense. Where is the list of laws? Where is your list of sins?
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1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
It is a choice, just like it was for the people in this scripture.
It's an impulse like everything else, does not mean you have to act on it.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Saul/Paul dribble the above nonsense?
Sorry but he admits several times that he just made stuff up. Saul/Paul was a deceiver who isn't worth the time of day.
I have a problem with the political agenda that homosexuals embrace, adulterers, thiefs and others do not promote a political agenda and their sins.
Don't get me started on the political agenda.
How can homosexuality be a sin if it's how they were born?
The only possible way that someone could see it as a choice, would mean that that person must be attracted to both sexes.
How can homosexuality be a sin if it's how they were born?
The only possible way that someone could see it as a choice, would mean that that person must be attracted to both sexes.
Are they? The liberals even claim that gender is a social construct, wouldn't this apply to one's sexuality even more, others claim that they are born als child mollesters, does that make it acceptable?
It is a sin to sleep with multiple women as well, yet men are usually born being attracted to women, so even if men were born with homosexual mindset, this would no be excuse to have intercourse with men. At the end God determines what is sin, not men. Nobody forces anybody to live according to Christian values, but do not twist what the bible says.
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