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Old 09-19-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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Nope...Prove this to me...
Seems a rather impossible feat.


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Oh, dear, a website...I bet you can find other wbsites that will give you a different angle...
Well atleast I actually provide evidence for what I say unlike someone.

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So, what's your point?...
You can think about it.


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Considering that the Jewish sect was all Jews, how's that again?...
How is it again that Jews in general only read the first five books of moses?

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I can read Hebrew...So...You know...I know what it really says...
Good for you. Ofocurse its another statement with nothing to prove it. And many people can read all kinds of languages, says nothing about how well you can read it.



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How can they be eyewitness accounts when the eyewitnesses were all dead by the time they were written?...
Actually there is an earily book that has been lost, which inspirsed the gosples.


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Have been for 40 years...
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You'll find out eventually...There is no way that you can impress me...
I am really not interested, in the slightest in impressing you. or anyone else for that matter.



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I have been there and done that and got a t-shirt...Like Trout, I believe, said, we've seen many newbies like yourself spouting the same garbage...You don't care about truth, you just want to be right...
Projection maybe.

Wisdom proves all her children right.

Still amazing as always to debate with someone who doesnt really.

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Old 09-19-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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Why does this thread not appear on the main bourd?
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Old 09-19-2015, 06:51 PM
 
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No! You dont know what irony is!

"OH yes he does!"

Oh no he doesnt!
Whatever...
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Old 09-19-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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below I will list the scripture from the bible new and old testament, which supports the statement.

Daniel: The vision of the áncient of days´and the son of man



7.9 ´thrones were set in place(for judges, hence for the judgement)
and the one of great age took his seat
(God has no age, God always was and always will be, hence this is the immanuel)
His robe was white as snow,
the hair on his head as pure as wool,

...... Imagery.....

7,10 A thousand times 10 thousand waited on him,
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.(maybe for judgement)
A court was held and books were opened.
7,13 I gazed and saw into the visions of the night,
And I saw coming on the clouds of heaven, (comming from heaven, as Jesus said you would see him)
one like a son of man.
He came to the one of great age
and was lead into his presence. (Ergo the one of Great age is on earth, and on the throne of Israel)

Matthew 25

31 'When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory.(as stated in Daniel)

Why? Why would Yeshua be comming for the Judgement? answer

Zac 3.5 The angel of Yahweh then proclaimed to Yeshua:- Yahweh Sabaoth says this, "if you walk in my ways, and keep my ordinances, you shall govern my house, and you shall watch over my courts and I will give you free access amoungst those who stand here"

I suggest that Jesus is Yeshua the annoited High priest, The messiah, who Yaweh will send to judge the people, on the day of Judgement. Part of the High priests duties.

John 16. 15 Everything the Father has is mine;

This relates to Zac 3 "you shall govern my house, and you shall watch over my courts"

To say the annoited high priest of god is given authority over heaven.

The Christians have always tried to say that these remarks with others shouw jesus to be god
I argue that actually they show him to be the annoited high priest.

THE PROPHET:-

JOHN 5.44 How can you believe, since you look to each other for glory and are not concerned with the glory that comes from the one God?

45 Do not imagine that I am going to accuse you before the Father: you have placed your hopes on Moses, and Moses will be the one who accuses you.

46 If you really believed him you would believe me too, since it was about me that he was writing;

47 but if you will not believe what he wrote, how can you believe what I say?

DEUT:- 18

17 Then Yahweh said to me,

18 "What they have said is well said. From their own brothers I shall raise up a prophet like yourself;

19 I shall put my words into his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him. Anyone who refuses to listen to my words, spoken by him in my name, will have to render an account to me.
Wrong. The saints of the Most High are those who receive the kingdom forever and ever. The son of man is the servant of God who walks in God's glory and keeps His word.

Daniel 7;

13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.
15 "I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things:
17 'Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.'

I am the resurrection and the life, the son of man who lives. Once I died but now I live forever and ever.
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Old 09-19-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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Seems a rather impossible feat.
I know, because you do not know Hebrew, so you can't read it for yourself...



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Well atleast I actually provide evidence for what I say unlike someone.
Not very good though...


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You can think about it.
Nah...


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How is it again that Jews in general only read the first five books of moses?
Just shows how ignorant you are about Jews...


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Good for you. Ofocurse its another statement with nothing to prove it. And many people can read all kinds of languages, says nothing about how well you can read it.
Blah, Blah?...You poor thing, that is all you got...I know people just like you, they're usually abusive...




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Actually there is an earily book that has been lost, which inspirsed the gosples.
And you know this how?...Because it is a lost book?...Or what?...





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I am really not interested, in the slightest in impressing you. or anyone else for that matter.

No, you are....




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Projection maybe.

Wisdom proves all her children right.

Still amazing as always to debate with someone who doesnt really.
Which you don't have obviously...


Your lack of knowledge is starting to bore me...Come back when you really have something to say...
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Old 09-20-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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Wrong. The saints of the Most High are those who receive the kingdom forever and ever. The son of man is the servant of God who walks in God's glory and keeps His word.

Daniel 7;

13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.
15 "I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things:
17 'Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.'
Not wrong read 7,22

The immanuel puts the kingdom into the hands of the saints, You´ll have to read daniels vision of the statue Daniel 2. 28 on - they are interlinked.

The vision of the one of great age is the begining of the messianic age and then the judgement at the end of it- the start and judgement are together in that prophecy of daniel 7.

The judgement happens after the 1000 years of peace.
Rev. 20,7 to 20, 15

And it is after the 1000 years of peace jesus comes on a cloud.

Peace be with you

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Old 09-20-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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I know, because you do not know Hebrew, so you can't read it for yourself...
Not very good though...
Nah...
Just shows how ignorant you are about Jews...
Blah, Blah?...You poor thing, that is all you got...I know people just like you, they're usually abusive...
And you know this how?...Because it is a lost book?...Or what?...
No, you are....
Which you don't have obviously...

Your lack of knowledge is starting to bore me...Come back when you really have something to say...
I see little point in debating a person that not only does not debate but actually has no faith in scripture.

I´ll leave the insults to you.

I´ll pray you can grow as a person. And stop wasting peoples time.
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Old 09-20-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Not wrong read 7,22

The immanuel puts the kingdom into the hands of the saints, You´ll have to read daniels vision of the statue Daniel 2. 28 on - they are interlinked.

The vision of the one of great age is the begining of the messianic age and then the judgement at the end of it- the start and judgement are together in that prophecy of daniel 7.

The judgement happens after the 1000 years of peace.
Rev. 20,7 to 20, 15

And it is after the 1000 years of peace jesus comes on a cloud.

Peace be with you
The saints are given power over the mountain- The begining of the messianic age.

It is the one of great age that does this- judges in their faviour

The Immanuel

revelations 19.15


From his mouth came a sharp sword with which to strike the unbelievers; he is the one who will rule them with an iron sceptre, and tread out the wine of Almighty God's fierce retribution.

16 On his cloak and on his thigh a name was written: King of kings and Lord of lords.

17 I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he shouted aloud to all the birds that were flying high overhead in the sky, 'Come here. Gather together at God's great feast.

18 You will eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of great generals and heroes, the flesh of horses and their riders and of all kinds of people, citizens and slaves, small and great alike.'

19 Then I saw the beast, with all the Kings of the earth and their armies, gathered together to fight the Rider and his army.

21 All the rest were killed by the sword of the Rider, which came out of his mouth, and all the birds glutted themselves with their flesh.

The messiah from Isaiah:-

Isaiah 11, 1 A shoot will spring from the stock of Jesse, a new shoot will grow from his roots.

2 On him will rest the spirit of Yahweh, the spirit of wisdom and insight, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and fear of Yahweh:

3 his inspiration will lie in fearing Yahweh. His judgement will not be by appearances. his verdict not given on hearsay.

4 He will judge the weak with integrity and give fair semtence for the humblest in the land. He will strike the country with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips bring death to the wicked.



AND he will JUDGE as written in Daniel 7.22.





Son of man will come on a cloud for the Judgement

Matthew 25

31 'When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory.(as stated in Daniel)

32 All nations will be assembled before him and he will separate people one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats.


Rev 20:- 7 When the thousand years(of peace) are over, Satan will be released from his prison

8 and will come out to lead astray all the nations in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, and mobilise them for war, his armies being as many as the sands of the sea.

9 They came swarming over the entire country and besieged the camp of the saints, which is the beloved City. But fire rained down on them from heaven and consumed them.

10 Then the devil, who led them astray, was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet are, and their torture will not come to an end, day or night, for ever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and the One who was sitting on it. In his presence, earth and sky vanished, leaving no trace.

12 I saw the dead, great and small alike, standing in front of his throne while the books lay open. And another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged from what was written in the books, as their deeds deserved.

------Proved by my going to the father and you seeing me no more------

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Old 09-20-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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Not wrong read 7,22

The immanuel puts the kingdom into the hands of the saints, You´ll have to read daniels vision of the statue Daniel 2. 28 on - they are interlinked.

The vision of the one of great age is the begining of the messianic age and then the judgement at the end of it- the start and judgement are together in that prophecy of daniel 7.

The judgement happens after the 1000 years of peace.
Rev. 20,7 to 20, 15

And it is after the 1000 years of peace jesus comes on a cloud.

Peace be with you
It is the Saints who receive the kingdom they are the One who comes on a cloud. Notice scripture refers to the saints as singular when it says all shall serve him. They are son of man.

Daniel 7:23-27

The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings. 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. 26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. HIS KINGDOM is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'
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Old 09-20-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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It is the Saints who receive the kingdom they are the One who comes on a cloud. Notice scripture refers to the saints as singular when it says all shall serve him. They are son of man.

Daniel 7:23-27

The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings. 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. 26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. HIS KINGDOM is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'
Yes.

You missed my post before, But I´ll not be saying any more.

Peace be with you
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