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Look at your post again..and see that the first para is saying that anyone who criticizes your views is guilty of hatred towards 'Christians' (which being interpreted, means 'those who agree with you') The add -on is the 'you are offending Christ by criticizing me' ploy.
Actually, it does not say that. Give it time to sink in.
God doesn't go where He is not wanted. Want to reject God and have nothing to do with Him? He will oblige your wishes and not interfere. That's a trait of a righteous holy God.
I thought you had said earlier that God is everywhere; that God is Omniscient. If He is everywhere, He is also where He is not wanted. How does that not interfering part work with a God that controls everything?
Actually, it does not say that. Give it time to sink in.
Unfortunately you didn't get the rest either.
The kneejerk denialist response is however, quite unastonishing . I reckon I see the implications of your post better than you do. And explain them, while you just deny everything.
And the victims in Oregon are totally forgotten in the course of Finn's campaign of presenting Gay -hatred as Real Christianity.
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God doesn't go where He is not wanted. Want to reject God and have nothing to do with Him? He will oblige your wishes and not interfere. That's a trait of a righteous holy God.
For heavens sake, Jeff. You make God sound petulant, petty, and small.
The kneejerk denialist response is however, quite unastonishing . I reckon I see the implications of your post better than you do. And explain them, while you just deny everything. And the victims in Oregon are totally forgotten in the course of Finn's campaign of presenting Gay -hatred as Real Christianity.
Nope, wrong again.
There is no need to explain, since my words are there for everyone to read, as are your attempts to twist them into meaning something they don't mean.
I thought you had said earlier that God is everywhere; that God is Omniscient. If He is everywhere, He is also where He is not wanted. How does that not interfering part work with a God that controls everything?
He can be everywhere on one level but not form a personal relationship with those who reject Him. Why should He?
Since our brains can only comprehend one plane of existence which is the physical, it's really not fair to try and pose trap logic puzzles in regards to the Omni traits of God.
Strange as it feels to do so, I have to stick up for Jeff on this one. At least to a certain extent.
Jeff, the "ganging up" part is one where I don't agree with you. I don't see any reason people need to take a number and wait for their turn to engage you. If you're going to continually take positions that are completely opposite the positions of almost every single other poster, you have to expect that one of the outcomes is going to be that lots of people are going to be disagreeing with you all at once. That's part of the price you pay for being so consistently and so vocally outside the mainstream.
Well there's your first problem. You assume that your viewpoints are mainstream. They're not. Yeah here in little fairy tale internet realm, you enjoy a majority, but in the real world, atheists are a small minority ,and most Christians are not extremely pro-gay or hate the Bible.
I don't expect people to wait their turn, but I don't need 12 or more essentially jumping on me at the same time with the same arguments and then getting all huffy because I don't reply back. Burying the opponent is a cheap tactic. Shinra probably smugly thinks she outsmarted the Christians again with her amazing wit and razor wire rhetoric when in reality, I simply don't have the time or energy to respond back to very lengthy posts.
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Originally Posted by Albert_The_Crocodile
As far as the mockery and the insults are concerned, I have to agree that you have a point, and I've said so before. And, as I've also said before, I'm one of those who are most guilty of doing it to you.
But quite honestly, Jeff, I can live with it. Rather easily, in fact. Ordinarily, I would feel badly about the way I address you, but frankly, the positions you take are so hateful, so ugly, so hurtful, and so utterly reprehensible and so damaging and destructive to so many innocent human beings that I am quite comfortable with how I attack you for that harm that you do.
And that's where you and I differ because I don't think mockery and insults have any place in a discussion even if you can't stand the other person's beliefs or find them repulsive. They are my beliefs straight from the Word of God which has no relation to my personal character.
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Originally Posted by Albert_The_Crocodile
Look at it this way - you're obviously in love with the idea of being a martyr for your god, so the way I see it, I'm just doing my little part to help you play the role you so love to play.
When the day comes, and you're standing there in front of your god, and he's looking at his checklist and he says to you, "So - Jeffbase40, is it? OK if I call you Jeff? You cool with that? OK, then, Jeff - whaddya got for me?" you can just say, "Well, that Crocodile guy - Albert, I think his name was - used to be awfully rough on me. I don't think he was really a crocodile (I think he was lying about that, because crocodiles are primarily nocturnal and he used to post all day long), but anyway, he said some nasty things about me. But I stood right in there and I took it, god, cuz I'm your boy, ya know?
"We homies, and I had your back cuz I knew you'd have mine. You, uh... do have my back, right? Uh... god? We good, right?"
And then he'll be all like, "Albert? You knew Albert? Holy Christ, dude! Get outta here!! You kiddin' me? He never told me that. Come on; I'll introduce you. He's over at the house, working on some revisions. Turns out I had that gay sex thing all wrong; we're gettin' that fixed right now - reweighting the scoring system, so that being gay pretty much gets you in automatically. You're going to make a lot of new friends up here, bro. So glad to have you.
"Oh, hey - does this mean you know Trout Dude? Hey, let's stop and see him first. I've got him in charge of how to use the internet to spot false christians and smite 'em using batch files."
Truly a ridiculous piece of fiction here. God is never wrong so to even suggest that He would say that, well that's pretty reprehensible in my book. God looks at man's heart and convicts me if I treat people poorly. Stating a belief about sin is not treating people poorly but you seem to think so.
And that's where you and I differ because I don't think mockery and insults have any place in a discussion even if you can't stand the other person's beliefs or find them repulsive. They are my beliefs straight from the Word of God which has no relation to my personal character.
Now you and I are in agreement. The Word of God has no relation to your personal character.
Well there's your first problem. You assume that your viewpoints are mainstream. They're not. Yeah here in little fairy tale internet realm, you enjoy a majority, but in the real world, atheists are a small minority ,and most Christians are not extremely pro-gay or hate the Bible.
I don't expect people to wait their turn, but I don't need 12 or more essentially jumping on me at the same time with the same arguments and then getting all huffy because I don't reply back. Burying the opponent is a cheap tactic. Shinra probably smugly thinks she outsmarted the Christians again with her amazing wit and razor wire rhetoric when in reality, I simply don't have the time or energy to respond back to very lengthy posts.
And that's where you and I differ because I don't think mockery and insults have any place in a discussion even if you can't stand the other person's beliefs or find them repulsive. They are my beliefs straight from the Word of God which has no relation to my personal character.
Truly a ridiculous piece of fiction here. God is never wrong so to even suggest that He would say that, well that's pretty reprehensible in my book. God looks at man's heart and convicts me if I treat people poorly. Stating a belief about sin is not treating people poorly but you seem to think so.
Christ was quite good at both mockery and insults...especially when directed at the brood of VIPERS...
He can be everywhere on one level but not form a personal relationship with those who reject Him. Why should He?
Were you rejected as a child?
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. I reckon I see the implications of your post better than you do. And explain them, while you just deny everything.
