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Old 10-20-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You realize he was speaking from a logical point of view, right? He wasn't saying that they COULDN'T do it...as much as he was saying that it wasn't logically consistent. Nobody is saying a Catholic CAN'T do anything.
I did indeed realize that.
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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The New Testament writers and Jesus believed the Genesis account to be literal. ...snip...
Of course they did. They were primitive, uneducated Bronze Age people.

Most of the people alive today know better.
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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Of course they did. They were primitive, uneducated Bronze Age people.

Most of the people alive today know better.
No one knew better than Jesus Christ or Paul. And they weren't uneducated. The Greeks built great coliseums and aqueducts which still stand today among many other achievements as a testimony to their education.

But education is not a requirement to knowing the truth.
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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No one knew better than Jesus Christ or Paul. And they weren't uneducated. The Greeks built great coliseums and aqueducts which still stand today among many other achievements as a testimony to their education.

But education is not a requirement to knowing the truth.
Okay, Eusie.

I know better than to expect rationality from you.
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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How are you going to stop them?
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You are right of course. The degree of gullibility I find among some Catholics who believe everything the nun in third grade of a Catholic elementary school once told them or "what Father says" is truly astounding.

They completely overlook major contradictions (in what they are told). Catholics "in good standing" just have to believe whatever the Church (or more than likely somebody tells them the Church) teaches.:
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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The New Testament writers and Jesus believed the Genesis account to be literal. Ever read the Apostle Paul's use of the historic Adam? Read Romans chapter 5

Luk_3:38 of Enosh, of Seth, of Adam, of God."

Rom_5:14 nevertheless death reigns from Adam unto Moses, over those also who do not sin in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him Who is about to be."

1Co_15:22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified."

1Co_15:45 If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also. Thus it is written also, The first man, Adam, "became a living soul:the last Adam a vivifying Spirit."

1Ti_2:13 (for Adam was first molded, thereafter Eve,

1Ti_2:14 and Adam was not seduced, yet the woman, being deluded, has come to be in the transgression)."

Jud_1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesies to these also, saying, "Lo! the Lord came among ten thousand of His saints,

If Adam didn't literally sin, then a lot of theology of the New Testament goes right out the window. Of course it doesn't really surprise me that some Catholics wouldn't actually believe either the New or Old Testaments. I was raised Catholic and was taught better.
RESPONSE: And where do you think Paul got the story to begin with?

Maybe you were raised Catholic and not allowed to think for yourself. If you insisted on doing so, you probably were threatened with being sent to hell, or whatever your teacher wanted you to believe to keep you obedient.
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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No one knew better than Jesus Christ or Paul. And they weren't uneducated. The Greeks built great coliseums and aqueducts which still stand today among many other achievements as a testimony to their education.

But education is not a requirement to knowing the truth.
PERSONEL: Neither is the truth!
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Old 10-20-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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RESPONSE: And where do you think Paul got the story to begin with?

Maybe you were raised Catholic and not allowed to think for yourself. If you insisted on doing so, you probably were threatened with being sent to hell, or whatever your teacher wanted you to believe to keep you obedient.
Paul didn't pull the historically accurate writings concerning Adam out of thin air.

Maybe you weren't raised Catholic and not allowed to think for yourself. And, no, I was never threatened with hell or whatever.
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Old 10-20-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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PERSONEL: Neither is the truth!
Explain yourself.
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