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A page or two back, somebody asked this question:
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
What could people possibly be if not wonderful? And by all means sling a few chapters and verses to substantiate the claim that people are less than wonderful?
Go back and read chapter 9 again. You missed something.
I've read the book of Romans many times, including Chapter 9. As I said earlier, Romans is my favorite book in the New Testament. It certainly can seem a little scary if it falls into the wrong hands though.
If everyone was wonderful, then why are we being called hateful and bigoted? Is hatred and bigotry wonderful? Last week someone called Christians "pure evil". Is pure evil wonderful?
People are trying to have it both ways, and it simply does not work that way.
We all sin, and it's not wonderful.
People can be wonderful, but no one if perfect.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 10-30-2015 at 06:45 AM..
The verse says;" The kingdom of God is among you", not within you.
The kingdom of God is at hand!!!
It is written in the prophets the Lord says this;
"The Lord redeems the lives of His servants ,no one who takes refuge in Him incurs guilt."
"My chosen one's shall inherit my holy mountain, my servants shall dwell there."
I am the light of the world no one who follows me shall ever walk in darkness because he will possess the light of life.
Follow me.
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Readers of the King James Version will be familiar with the saying, “the kingdom of God is within you,” a literal rendering of the words ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν spoken by Christ in Luke 17:21. Several modern versions have instead “the kingdom of God is in the midst of you,” for theological reasons. The new rendering is used only because the translators think it is theologically impossible that Jesus would say that the Kingdom of God is “within” people. But there is no clear attestation for such a meaning as “among” or “in the midst” for the adverb ἐντὸς in any ancient Greek source. It is indisputable that “within” is the ordinary meaning, and the immediate context here also seems to favor this meaning. Here Christ is obviously contrasting the outward appearance (μετὰ παρατηρήσεως “with observation,” v. 20) with the inner spiritual reality of God’s rule. It was understood thus by the translators of all the ancient versions, and by all the Church fathers. Moreover, as S.C. Carpenter explains, “For ‘among’ S. Luke would have said ἐν μέσῳ, which occurs seven times in his Gospel (see especially xxii. 27) and four times in Acts.” (Christianity according to S. Luke [London: S.P.C.K., 1919], p. 103.) See also the more recent discussion in Nigel Turner, Grammatical Insights into the New Testament (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1965), pp. 61-3. A thorough review of the linguistic evidence is given in an article published online: Ilaria Ramelli, “Luke 17:21: ‘The Kingdom of God is inside you.’ The Ancient Syriac Versions in Support of the Correct Translation,” Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies 12/2 (Summer 2009), pp. 259-286. The circumstance that in Luke’s narrative these words are addressed to unbelieving Jews does not make any difference, because as Olshausen says, “The expression ἐντὸς ὑμῶν does not make the Pharisees members of the kingdom of God, but only sets before them the possibility of their being received into it, inasmuch as an internal and spiritual manifestation is made its universal criterion.”
Interpretation of Luke 17:20-21
No I am not a KJV only person. But if it reflects the personality of Christ as love and acceptance, I accept the translation that most resembles Him.
The spark of God lies in EVERY human being. It resembles Buddhism in that regard, which holds that all of us have a spark of divinity that tries to return from whence it came. That is the reason men feel the urge to discuss God, read about God, reason about God, search for God--look at the number of atheists on the christianity thread. There lies within them, whether they are cognizant or not, a spark of divinity that seeks God even in the midst of their declaration that they do not. If it were a "Santa Claus" fable they would move on. But I believe, deep down, all of us have concern for what is the Ground of all Being.
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