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Old 11-17-2015, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The new man is God conscious. He doesn't talk about sin or sin in others. So no points for guessing who you are living by when you are talking about sin in self or others and worse still calling yourself a sinner(sounds humble but in truth is the root cause of your sin).
The only thing I said about others is that everyone is a sinner.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:23 PM
 
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But then you offer them no solution to their supposed "sin", as bryan pointed out when he said that being a Christian is no guarantee of "good behavior". You insist people are cut off from God and that God doesn't listen to them because of their sin, and then tell them that even as a Christian they're not going to stop sinning. But somehow even though they're still sinning, NOW God's going to start listening to you as a Christian simply because you believe the "right things". It's not good enough to believe that God forgives you, mind you. You have to believe that God forgives you through a particular mechanism (penal substitution), or else God can't forgive you.

But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian. THIS is why you guys need to hold on so tightly to the idea of eternal torment as a just result of people sinning. Because that's the only thing you supposedly offer a solution to and you've got absolutely nothing else to offer of any worth.
Precisely. The only people who are drawn in by this type of religion are the fearful. Yet the bible says the FEARFUL and unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. They believe they are excluded from that because they have "made a decision for Christ" or given "mental ascent" that Jesus is the savior. It's a non-sense way to interpret scripture IMO. God is sovereign though - so only God can deliver one from the bondage of fear.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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When you stand before God, tell Him you take responsibility for your sins. Me, I'll claim Jesus.
So the plan is to sin on earth..... then claim Jesus when you stand before God?

How handy. All the fun of sin without any of the responsibility. No wonder so many fundamentalists look at porn.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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Really? A correlation between porn viewing and adultery? I smell a rat. This is a clear situation of linking two behaviors, one of which has no actual definable harm, with one that does, because the first is also objectionable. And, why should Christian men take the brunt of accusation? If porn is really so, bad then its bad for men AND women, and of any walk of life, any degree of spirituality, or not. But we can't make those claims. Porn use is distasteful to those not accustomed to viewing it. I get that. Get over yourselves. I wonder if all those Christian men using porn aren't doing so because their Christian wives are empowered by Christian culture to be uptight and frigid. Christian culture is not known for its open acceptance of any aspect of human sexuality, save for the reproductive one. Little surprise then that Christian households are often beset by scandals rooted in sexual dysfunction.
Yes, let's blame the woman for our piggish lusts.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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So the plan is to sin on earth..... then claim Jesus when you stand before God?

How handy. All the fun of sin without any of the responsibility. No wonder so many fundamentalists look at porn.
No even close. See posts #623 & 625.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Yes, let's blame the woman for our piggish lusts.
That's all you got from that? I should have added "and you wouldn't have her any other way..." I'll see if I can do that...
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Precisely. The only people who are drawn in by this type of religion are the fearful. Yet the bible says the FEARFUL and unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. They believe they are excluded from that because they have "made a decision for Christ" or given "mental ascent" that Jesus is the savior. It's a non-sense way to interpret scripture IMO. God is sovereign though - so only God can deliver one from the bondage of fear.
Many "made a decision" for Christ, in scripture. It is a decision. It is NOT a "mental ascent", but rather repentance & a heartfelt cry for help.

Romans 10:9

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Precisely. The only people who are drawn in by this type of religion are the fearful. Yet the bible says the FEARFUL and unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. They believe they are excluded from that because they have "made a decision for Christ" or given "mental ascent" that Jesus is the savior. It's a non-sense way to interpret scripture IMO. God is sovereign though - so only God can deliver one from the bondage of fear.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Precisely. The only people who are drawn in by this type of religion are the fearful. Yet the bible says the FEARFUL and unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. They believe they are excluded from that because they have "made a decision for Christ" or given "mental ascent" that Jesus is the savior. It's a non-sense way to interpret scripture IMO. God is sovereign though - so only God can deliver one from the bondage of fear.
Yes, the unbelieving indeed.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."


I encourage you to read up on what the "cowardly" refers to.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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I cant' speak for everyone, but the Christians I know are willing to stop sinning. The desire to live in habitual sin dies in the believer. That is a part of being 'made new'. As a result sinning is reduced significantly. However, being 100% sinless is impossible.

So, yes, it does make you more able to stop/reduce sinning.
Christianity isn't offering anything that isn't available to everyone, regardless of their religious affiliation or lack thereof: it's called a conscience. Everyone has one and Christians and non-Christians alike pay attention to it at varying levels.
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