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...The prophecies indicated that the Mashiach will do all that he prophecies state that he will do the first time that he comes...There is nothing in the prophecies that imply that he will be coming twice...
Didn't know what you meant by this, ''There is nothing in the prophecies that imply that he will be coming twice.''
There is plenty to indicate that he comes twice, or that he comes once and his spirit comes again for the feast of Tabernacles.
Not from the New Testament but from Joel, and Ezekiel, and Isaiah, ect.
This shows a first coming on Nisan 14, and a second coming on Tishri 15.
Ezekiel 45
In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the Lord, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah.
In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.
The two seasons show that the coming of the Lord is as the rain, twice.
Didn't know what you meant by this, ''There is nothing in the prophecies that imply that he will be coming twice.''
There is plenty to indicate that he comes twice, or that he comes once and his spirit comes again for the feast of Tabernacles.
Not from the New Testament but from Joel, and Ezekiel, and Isaiah, ect.
This shows a first coming on Nisan 14, and a second coming on Tishri 15.
Ezekiel 45
In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the Lord, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah.
In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.
The two seasons show that the coming of the Lord is as the rain, twice.
So the Jews and the Christians have different Gods? SAAN already stated that Muslims have a different and false god. So the Abraham derived religions have three different gods? But it is the Jewish god that created life so where do the other people come from, when did their god make them? Those that claim it is the one and only god and he never changes obviously disagree with you. Seems like the only thing religious people agree on is that atheists are wrong.
Could be where the idea of the trinity comes from?...
Ezekiel's Temple is the Temple that Jesus claimed to have built and is building, it isn't anything like Solomon's or Herod's Temple, the workings and laws are much different, everything is different.
This Temple hinges on a prince to come, and the laws of sacrifice are changed to fit this prince of Judah and Ephraim. The prince comes in the time when Ephraim has been found in order to make this temple work for Ephraim and Judah and the entire covenant rests upon these two names.
This Temple begins to issue water with a mind of it's own, and it seeks out other waters and blesses them when it wants to bless, and curses where it wants to curse, and it brings life to the dead sea and the great sea where many creatures are pulled out of these waters because of the fishermen who stand by it's shores and these are fishermen of men.
This chapter of Ezekiel 45 is showing the coming of the prince and every single sacrifice is offered on Nisan 14, and one would ask,'' Why is a bull being killed on Nisan 14 when a bull would never and has never been killed on Nisan 14?''
We see the Sukkot bull being killed on Passover and this has never happened unless you consider that Messiah was all the sacrifices{Each person should walk as a lamb for Passover, as a ram for Shavuot, as the goats, as the bull, as the heifer because we are human, and they teach of us.}.
So the sacrifices of Shavuot and Yom Kippur are also killed on Nisan 14 so we have Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Shavuot rams, and a red heifer all being killed on Nisan 14, establishing all days as one day. The prince makes atonement for himself and for all the people by keeping every single feast on Nisan 14, and this waits upon the prince, it has NEVER happened, UNLESS, unless you say that Jesus was all the sacrifices and then show how they all happened on Nisan 14.
The Prince of Judah and Ephraim, Ephraim has to be there in numbers greater than Judah.
But this is only the first coming, but this very strange occurrence of all the holy days happening on a single day happens again, just as it is planned in Joel and in the two seasons.
First, On Nisan 14 all the holy days happen.
Second, On Tishri 15 all the holy days happen.
On Tishri 15, Passover will take place with unleavened bread and the firstfruits will be offered, Shavuot will take place, and Rosh Hashanah, and Yom Kippur, and Sukkot ending with Shemini Atzereth.
These are all scheduled to happen right there in Ezekiel 45.
Ezekiel is showing 2 very particular days when all the feasts happen on a single day. First on Nisan 14, and then Tishri 15.
The same things that happened in Jerusalem on a local level happens on a grand universal level the second time..
Ezekiel 45
The Prince's Portion 7And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion, and of the possession of the city, before the oblation of the holy portion, and before the possession of the city, from the west side westward, and from the east side eastward: and the length shall be over against one of the portions, from the west border unto the east border. 8In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes. 9Thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD. 10Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath. 11The ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer. 12And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.
Offerings and Feasts 13This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of barley: 14Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer: 15And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD. 16All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. 18Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: 19And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. 20And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. 21In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. 23And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah. 25In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.
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Ezekiel's Temple is the Temple that Jesus claimed to have built and is building, it isn't anything like Solomon's or Herod's Temple, the workings and laws are much different, everything is different.
This Temple hinges on a prince to come, and the laws of sacrifice are changed to fit this prince of Judah and Ephraim. The prince comes in the time when Ephraim has been found in order to make this temple work for Ephraim and Judah and the entire covenant rests upon these two names.
This Temple begins to issue water with a mind of it's own, and it seeks out other waters and blesses them when it wants to bless, and curses where it wants to curse, and it brings life to the dead sea and the great sea where many creatures are pulled out of these waters because of the fishermen who stand by it's shores and these are fishermen of men.
This chapter of Ezekiel 45 is showing the coming of the prince and every single sacrifice is offered on Nisan 14, and one would ask,'' Why is a bull being killed on Nisan 14 when a bull would never and has never been killed on Nisan 14?''
We see the Sukkot bull being killed on Passover and this has never happened unless you consider that Messiah was all the sacrifices. So the sacrifices of Shavuot and Yom Kippur are also killed on Nisan 14 so we have Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Shavuot rams, and a red heifer all being killed on Nisan 14, establishing all days as one day. The prince makes atonement for himself and for all the people by keeping every single feast on Nisan 14, and this waits upon the prince, it has NEVER happened, UNLESS, unless you say that Jesus was all the sacrifices and show then show how they all happened on Nisan 14.
The Prince of Judah and Ephraim, Ephraim has to be there in numbers greater than Judah.
But this is only the first coming, but this very strange occurrence of all the holy days happening on a single day happens again, just as it is planned in Joel and in the two seasons.
First, On Nisan 14 all the holy days happen.
Second, On Tishri 15 all the holy days happen.
On Tishri 15, Passover will take place with unleavened bread and the firstfruits will be offered, Shavuot will take place, and Rosh Hashanah, and Yom Kippur, and Sukkot ending with Shemini Atzereth.
These are all scheduled to happen right there in Ezekiel 45.
Ezekiel is showing 2 very particular days when all the feasts happen on a single day. First on Nisan 14, and then Tishri 15.
The same things that happened in Jerusalem on a local level happens on a grand universal level the second time..
Ezekiel 45
The Prince's Portion 7And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion, and of the possession of the city, before the oblation of the holy portion, and before the possession of the city, from the west side westward, and from the east side eastward: and the length shall be over against one of the portions, from the west border unto the east border. 8In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes. 9Thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD. 10Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath. 11The ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer. 12And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.
Offerings and Feasts 13This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of barley: 14Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer: 15And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD. 16All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. 18Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: 19And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. 20And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. 21In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. 23And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah. 25In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.
Have you ever presented your thesis here to a qualified Rabbi and asked him to explain it to you if your thesis differed from truth?...
After the first Passover, God had Moses design a group of men to stand and symbolize Passover lambs who would stand in the stead of the first born son. 1 priest to redeem each first born son. Each person had the name of his own personal priest and nobody shared, if you didn't have a priest to stand in your stead, in symbolizing your redemption through a priest standing as a lamb, then you had to pay the temple tax.
I think people need a different view at what is being said when speaking of Passover lambs, because one would say,'' Jesus is my Passover,'' but unless you also become a lamb that goes all the way to death, then the Passover is lost on you. The idea is that you look for sin in your life and you try and die to your anger and greed, and selfishness, you try and go all the way to a symbolic death so that the spirit of God lives within you, you die to your will, and you submit as a servant to the will of God like any Passover lamb should do.
I wished more people would consider how all the sacrifices teach of our own walk, and how we should strive to be a sacrifice, even a burnt offering to God that the aroma is picked up by the wind and is in the nostrils of God as a pleasing thing.
If somebody says,'' Jesus is my Passover lamb,'' then don't stop there, go on and prove to yourself why and how he was also the rams, and the bull, and the goats and all these things apply to you also.
Have you ever presented your thesis here to a qualified Rabbi and asked him to explain it to you if your thesis differed from truth?...
Are you kidding?
Like a Rabbi would even want to talk to me lol, I would be too embarrassed to even ask, but the funny thing is, I find myself agreeing a great deal with Rabbis when I see something quoted, like that thing in Judaism where the belief is that all the Jews were at Sinai, that would actually make sense to me. How those Rabbis believed that each 1 of the 4 tassels{?} represent a certain amount of gentiles when 10 gentiles from every nation grasp the garment of a Jew.
I had come to the same conclusion, always surprised but I don't even know enough about what Rabbis believe to make an approach.
I took the 6 minutes and listened to this and it seemed the main reasons why Jews wont accept Jesus according to him, is because everything Christians think Jesus will do and be during the 1000 yr millennium, Jews think he should have done 2000 yrs ago.
John 5:43 I come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
The bible has already stated the Jews will reject Jesus and pretty much openly accept the Anti Christ as their Messiah when he comes.
Is there any real hope of witnessing or reaching any Jews that have hardened their hearts towards the Messiah and think Christians have it wrong for over 2000 yrs?
Who cares? Enough with the Jews! Use your Christian compassion to give them a break.
And btw, there are more than a few "Christians" who don't believe Jesus was the son of God, too. Historically, there were several sects that believed he was a prophet, no more, no less.
Why do some people have this compulsion to bend others to their belief system?
Christian means "Christ Like". Why do some try and bend the definition?
No...It means "Follower of Christ"...
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