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Well if you believed the History channel telling of the first Thanksgiving you would believe the Indians and white people became friends after one tribe of Indians convinced the white people to go with them to kill a neighboring tribe they hated.
After the Pilgrims went with the Indians to slaughter all the Indians of the other tribe, and that included women and children, they decided to help the Pilgrims and they celebrated the first harvest. The Pilgrims had rifles and that was a good killing machine.
I think I will believe a tamer version of why the two became friends.
FRIENDS do not orchestrate a systematice mass extinction of the other.
FRIENDS do not orchestrate a systematice mass extinction of the other.
Who said they were friends? Indians had been warring between each other for centuries before the white man got here. Killing, taking people as slaves, etc. You didn't think the white man was only doing that did you?
But I do have a hard time believing the History Channel, they get a lot of things wrong. Revisionist history channel maybe.
The story of Squanto from the web site you posted Zthatzmanz28
"Fortunately for Squanto, and later for our Pilgrims, Spain was a Catholic country. Seventy-seven years earlier, envisioning injustices visited upon the indigenous peoples Of the New World, Pope Paul III issued “Sublimis Dei,” a papal bull forbidding Catholic governments from enslaving or mistreating Indians from the Americas. The Pope declared that Indians are “true men” who could not lawfully be deprived of liberty. “Sublimis Dei” instructed that European intervention into the lives of Indians had to be motivated by benefit to the Indians themselves. It would take America another 300 years to catch up with the Catholic Church and abolish slavery.
As a result of the papal decree, the Catholic Church in Spain was opposed to the mistreatment of Indians, and opposed to bringing them to Europe against their will. Of course, the Catholic ideal did not always prevent slave trade on the black market. At Malaga, Thomas Hunt managed to sell most of his captives, and was about to sell Squanto when two Spanish Jesuit priests intervened. The Spanish speaking priests seized Squanto who somehow convinced them to send him home. Not knowing where “home” was, the priests arranged for Squanto’s passage as a free man on a ship bound for London. It is likely that the Jesuits even baptized Squanto as a Catholic. It would have been a way to assure his status as a free man."
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I find it sad that native Americans today are still challenged by the history of their past , where they would be offended by a Thanksgiving day celebration ...... Maybe if America would repent of their past , then Jesus would lift these demonic forces off the land and natives and even the blacks and other groups who are offended by the culture would have peace on their lives and not be offended
This is true but many Indian tribes are doing very well----if the government didn't make them depend on their assistance. Some tribes have gotten off the government dole and doing very well. It's sad to see the ones who still subsist on government hand outs. You can see it out West when you travel.
Squanto was an opportunist, plain and simple. He lived his life using his newfound linguistic skills to put himself in positions of power. The only reason he was not executed by his own people was because the colonists refused to hand him over.
The first Thanksgiving was only possible because of the help of the Native Americans, which is why the colonists invited them to the feast. But neither the colonists, nor the Native Americans were purely benevolent and as is human nature, each side worked toward their own gains.
It is unfortunate that European germs claimed 80-90% of the Native Americans, it was not intentional and was, in the end, completely unavoidable.
Squanto was an opportunist, plain and simple. He lived his life using his newfound linguistic skills to put himself in positions of power. The only reason he was not executed by his own people was because the colonists refused to hand him over.
The first Thanksgiving was only possible because of the help of the Native Americans, which is why the colonists invited them to the feast. But neither the colonists, nor the Native Americans were purely benevolent and as is human nature, each side worked toward their own gains.
It is unfortunate that European germs claimed 80-90% of the Native Americans, it was not intentional and was, in the end, completely unavoidable.
So true. You know that could happen to us today with all the world travel. Look at Ebola, no one is immune to such tragedies. We soon may be headed for a pandemic. Now we hear of bacteria that is resistant to any treatment. Super bugs.
At least we now know about germs, back then, they didn't.
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