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Christ is a title and refers to "The Word" or divine idea, concept, spirit or whatever you wish to call it that was embodied in the man called Jesus, often referred to as Jesus, the Christ or Jesus Christ, or in this case, the Christ, Jesus or Christ Jesus.
Actually, "Christ" is the Greek word for the Hebrew word "Messiah" -- the anointed one sent by God. He was foretold since Genesis. He wasn't just embedded in Jesus, but is the 2nd person of the Godhead, the Son. He did leave Heaven and was incarnate -- meaning that he became 'in flesh", but Jesus was not just some guy that God entered into.
He saves all that the Father gives him. He is a complete success.
John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." He never suggested that he wanted to save all human beings that ever lived.
Yes. this is part of the whole problem.
Please explain to me how Jesus can teach that God loves everyone, yet He only loves a portion of them so much more than the others that He calls them to salvation, John 6:37 while the vast majority of mankind that He "loves" He doesn't love them enough to call them to salvation. And please reconcile this with Paul's proclamation that "There is no partiality with God". Romans 2:11
Please explain to me how Jesus can teach that God loves everyone,
What passage says that? Can you show me?
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yet He only loves a portion of them so much more than the others that He calls them to salvation, John 6:37 while the vast majority of mankind that He "loves" He doesn't love them enough to call them to salvation. And please reconcile this with Paul's proclamation that "There is no partiality with God". Romans 2:11
Paul's statement in Romans 2:11 is in the context of the question of God choosing Jews only, or Gentiles, as well. He's stating that God condemns both--and is not partial to only Jews or only Gentiles. Everyone -- Jew and Gentile alike, deserves damnation because we have all sinned -- and we have demonstrated that none of us are righteous because we live by the Law. None of us can achieve perfect obedience to the Law, and we all condemn ourselves by sinning.
He saves all that the Father gives him. He is a complete success.
John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." He never suggested that he wanted to save all human beings that ever lived.
That's actually quite debatable as we've seen endlessly on this forum...Wow, it seems like a while since we've actually had a UR debate here though..but given the holiday season, I'm not in the mood right now. Maybe Eusebius will show up!
Paul's statement in Romans 2:11 is in the context of the question of God choosing Jews only, or Gentiles, as well. He's stating that God condemns both--and is not partial to only Jews or only Gentiles. Everyone -- Jew and Gentile alike, deserves damnation because we have all sinned -- and we have demonstrated that none of us are righteous because we live by the Law. None of us can achieve perfect obedience to the Law, and we all condemn ourselves by sinning.
I say in conclusion there's no earthly reason for a PhD course in the mechanics of God's salvation. Paul is the one who turned a simple concept of God's salvation into a Jews first and Gentiles afterwards thing. It's all man-made dogma that serves no purpose other than to cause debates, hard feelings, and controversies.
And before you say it, I'll say it for you:
"The only one who debates, has hard feelings, and causes controversies is you, Thrill."
I say in conclusion there's no earthly reason for a PhD course in the mechanics of God's salvation. Paul is the one who turned a simple concept of God's salvation into a Jews first and Gentiles afterwards thing. All manmade dogma that serves no purpose other than to cause debates, hard feelings, and controversies.
Paul's writings were inspired by God. He learned them firsthand from Jesus himself.
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And before you say it, I'll say it for you:
"The only one who debates, has hard feelings, and causes controversies is you, Thrill."
You're not he only one, but you're one of them makes a habit of posting things that get people worked up.
Paul's writings were inspired by God. He learned them firsthand from Jesus himself.
Oh, like hell he was.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
You're not the only one, but you're one of them makes a habit of posting things that get people worked up.
Why? Because I tell the truth that Paul was a Jew who desperately wanted acceptance by his fellow Jews for his wacky ideas on salvation? And when he couldn't find acceptance from ANY of the original 12 apostles he broke off and started calling himself "The Apostle to the Gentiles" because the Jews were too educated to be taken in by his outlandish ideas of salvation through faith alone when they had it directly from Jesus that salvation was by faith plus good works.
Paul succeeded because he drew lots of poor disenfranchised Gentiles who readily took to a religion that didn't require them to work hard for salvation but could be done strictly on belief (faith). That's why 99.9% of Paul's converts were uneducated and without any sense of being able to discern truth from fiction--much like fundamentalist Christians in the Appalachians and South today.
Why? Because I tell the truth that Paul was a Jew who desperately wanted acceptance by his fellow Jews for his wacky ideas on salvation? And when he couldn't find acceptance from ANY of the original 12 apostles he broke off and started calling himself "The Apostle to the Gentiles" because the Jews were too educated to be taken in by his outlandish ideas of salvation through faith alone when they had it directly from Jesus that salvation was by faith plus good works.
Paul succeeded because he drew lots of poor disenfranchised Gentiles who readily took to a religion that didn't require them to work hard for salvation but could be done strictly on belief (faith). That's why 99.9% of Paul's converts were uneducated and without any sense of being able to discern truth from fiction--much like fundamentalist Christians in the Appalachians and South today.
I've long realized that Biblical hermeneutics was not a strong suit of yours....but wow.
Please explain to me how Jesus can teach that God loves everyone, yet He only loves a portion of them so much more than the others that He calls them to salvation, John 6:37 while the vast majority of mankind that He "loves" He doesn't love them enough to call them to salvation. And please reconcile this with Paul's proclamation that "There is no partiality with God". Romans 2:11
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Originally Posted by Vizio
What passage says that? Can you show me?
You have been shown many times that the last few verses of Matthew 5 unequivocally says that and yet you will neither address the issue nor cease your canard against the nature of God.
What ever happened to honesty?
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