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Old 01-31-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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Yea...I guess that you know the religion of the Jews better than they do...
Well he is quoting one of the Talmuds definitions with slight additions imo. Keep in mind depending on which sage and in which period of time they were from, the commentary will be different.

Nephilim
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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The book of Enoch, a Jewish intertestamental religious apocryphal work written between the 4th and 1st centuries BC. refers to the ḇə·nê- hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm as the sons of heaven and identifies them as angels.

Referring to Genesis 6:1-2, Enoch 7:1-2 says,
Enoch Chapter 7

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

Enoch 7:2 And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).

Book of Enoch
These sons of God, these angels mated with human women who gave birth to giants.
Enoch 7:11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

(7) The Greek texts vary considerably from the Ethiopic text here. One Greek manuscript adds to this section, "And they [the women] bore to them [the Watchers] three races–first, the great giants. The giants brought forth [some say "slew"] the Naphelim, and the Naphelim brought forth [or "slew"] the Elioud. And they existed, increasing in power according to their greatness." See the account in the Book of Jubilees.

Book of Enoch
In Genesis chapter 6 the Nephilim are said to be the offspring of the sons of God (angels) who mated with the daughters of men (human females).
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How can you deny that the book of Enoch says what it says?
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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The book of Enoch, a Jewish intertestamental religious apocryphal work written between the 4th and 1st centuries BC.
I really have no clue when the book of Enoch was written. But doesn't it claim to be written by Enoch himself?
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:31 PM
 
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I really have no clue when the book of Enoch was written. But doesn't it claim to be written by Enoch himself?
The book of Enoch was written during the period between the time the last of the Old Testament books was written and before New Testament times. That period is sometimes referred to as the four hundred silent years because no prophecy was being given during that time. It was a prophetically silent time. It's also called the intertestamental period. During this time the Jews wrote a lot of literature which we refer to as apocryphal literature. The book of Enoch is one of those books and was written sometime during that period.

The book claims to have been written by Enoch, but obviously it wasn't. But whoever the Jewish author was, he based it on Biblical events.

It is interesting reading. Book of Enoch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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many Enochs.
Enochs all over
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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Enoch =Cain-Ach = Cain brother

Enoch VII, from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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The book of Enoch, a Jewish intertestamental religious apocryphal work written between the 4th and 1st centuries BC. refers to the ḇə·nê- hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm as the sons of heaven and identifies them as angels.

Referring to Genesis 6:1-2, Enoch 7:1-2 says,
Enoch Chapter 7

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

Enoch 7:2 And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).

Book of Enoch
These sons of God, these angels mated with human women who gave birth to giants.
Enoch 7:11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

(7) The Greek texts vary considerably from the Ethiopic text here. One Greek manuscript adds to this section, "And they [the women] bore to them [the Watchers] three races–first, the great giants. The giants brought forth [some say "slew"] the Naphelim, and the Naphelim brought forth [or "slew"] the Elioud. And they existed, increasing in power according to their greatness." See the account in the Book of Jubilees.

Book of Enoch
In Genesis chapter 6 the Nephilim are said to be the offspring of the sons of God (angels) who mated with the daughters of men (human females).
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No...
Second that motion.
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Old 01-31-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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Well he is quoting one of the Talmuds definitions with slight additions imo. Keep in mind depending on which sage and in which period of time they were from, the commentary will be different.

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Old 01-31-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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Renown, men of distinction.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:35 AM
 
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Well he is quoting one of the Talmuds definitions with slight additions imo. Keep in mind depending on which sage and in which period of time they were from, the commentary will be different.

Nephilim
Which commentary is correct though?...
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