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Con vo luted. But those who think they have it mastered sure do exhibit pride don't they?
K I S S
Those who have it mastered do so lawfully………. otherwise the truth of the scriptures cannot be discerned
2 Timothy 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
I do not have all of the scriptures masterered but concerning knowledge of the Scriptures I am light years ahead of you,
Unfortunately this is not saying much at all as my pet rock knows as much as you
It is not because of some form of universilism has it right, but because if God had not changed Adam from when He was first created perfect, Adam would have never sinned! Because God is the cause behind the reason for why Adam sinned, God has accepted the responsibility for sin on earth………. therefore He sent an antidote for sin in the atonement of Jesus
Still, and from the beginning, even though sin was not imputed (held against man) until the law was given to Moses, the Laws of God were already in effect as seen in both the law of the seed and the atonement that was an innocent life given for the life lost by Adam seen in the worship of Able. Those are seen by many but the atonement that is not seen by most is the one when God said to Cain, "if you see yourself doing poorly (having sinful thoughts) "sin lieth at the door".
This is another time sin appears as a noun and as a sin offering because the "door" in Hebrew is often used the same as the word "gate" often represents a passage going from the realm of the unclean into the realm of cleanness and righteousness with God. Therefore, what God was saying to Cain (and to us) was all Cain had to do was confess his sin and desire to be cleansed, then he could be cleansed through the atonement provided by God even though the laws of atonement were not given to Moses for another 1500 years (approximate)
Therefore this was a prophecy and a teaching for us to acquire seen in the words of Jesus when He said, "I stand at the door knock"
Also, Noah was already determining between clean versus unclean animals (long before the law was ever given) in an Ark representing Jesus as a "type and shadow" the same as the Ark of the Covenant
Couple of more things
When David said "purge me with hyssop" was because hyssop was a "verifuge" that is a word given to certain herbs that are considered suitable for the killing of a living indwelling parasite in humans that in this case was the sin he was conceived and shaped in as a unborn babe still in his mother's womb that was still in him 30 years later
Also, mandrakes are not for fruitfulness as most often taught but because the roots of the mandrake are a very powerful and violent laxative………… they represent the cleansing needed before one can bear fruit acceptable to God. It pays to study all of the Bible but most of all it pleases God who blesses us with the understanding of more of the Bible
Who said anything about universalism? Original sin is not scriptural and for someone who boasts a vast knowledge of the scriptures like it means something and as if God is impressed with that knowledge, to claim it is, is laughable. Forgiveness of the error of our way is for our benefit and not God's, for the error of our way effects how we see God, not how God sees us, this is the ultimate purpose of God in his dealings with man, to get him to see himself how God really sees him.
Those who have it mastered do so lawfully………. otherwise the truth of the scriptures cannot be discerned
2 Timothy 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
I do not have all of the scriptures masterered but concerning knowledge of the Scriptures I am light years ahead of you,
Unfortunately this is not saying much at all as my pet rock knows as much as you
It is not because of some form of universilism has it right, but because if God had not changed Adam from when He was first created perfect, Adam would have never sinned! Because God is the cause behind the reason for why Adam sinned, God has accepted the responsibility for sin on earth………. therefore He sent an antidote for sin in the atonement of Jesus
Still, and from the beginning, even though sin was not imputed (held against man) until the law was given to Moses, the Laws of God were already in effect as seen in both the law of the seed and the atonement that was an innocent life given for the life lost by Adam seen in the worship of Able. Those are seen by many but the atonement that is not seen by most is the one when God said to Cain, "if you see yourself doing poorly (having sinful thoughts) "sin lieth at the door".
This is another time sin appears as a noun and as a sin offering because the "door" in Hebrew is often used the same as the word "gate" often represents a passage going from the realm of the unclean into the realm of cleanness and righteousness with God. Therefore, what God was saying to Cain (and to us) was all Cain had to do was confess his sin and desire to be cleansed, then he could be cleansed through the atonement provided by God even though the laws of atonement were not given to Moses for another 1500 years (approximate)
Therefore this was a prophecy and a teaching for us to acquire seen in the words of Jesus when He said, "I stand at the door knock"
Also, Noah was already determining between clean versus unclean animals (long before the law was ever given) in an Ark representing Jesus as a "type and shadow" the same as the Ark of the Covenant
Couple of more things
When David said "purge me with hyssop" was because hyssop was a "verifuge" that is a word given to certain herbs that are considered suitable for the killing of a living indwelling parasite in humans that in this case was the sin he was conceived and shaped in as a unborn babe still in his mother's womb that was still in him 30 years later
Also, mandrakes are not for fruitfulness as most often taught but because the roots of the mandrake are a very powerful and violent laxative………… they represent the cleansing needed before one can bear fruit acceptable to God. It pays to study all of the Bible but most of all it pleases God who blesses us with the understanding of more of the Bible
Wow!! You really are caught up in indoctrination. Jesus Christ Himself would be hesitant to reason with you or to ask you to reason for yourself.
I've not bought into that universalism that you are concerned about, but I would have no problem accepting if God wished to do that. It is the self-righteous who are concerned with obtaining privilege for themselves and punishment for those not like themselves. The Pharisee's heart at its finest.
I see it in your quick to anger responses as well. You not only don't know, you don't want to know.
I'd just as soon reason with that pet rock of yours. It certainly can't be as hard as your heart.
It is not because of some form of universilism has it right, but because if God had not changed Adam from when He was first created perfect, Adam would have never sinned! Because God is the cause behind the reason for why Adam sinned, God has accepted the responsibility for sin on earth………. therefore He sent an antidote for sin in the atonement of Jesus
Still, and from the beginning, even though sin was not imputed (held against man) until the law was given to Moses, the Laws of God were already in effect as seen in both the law of the seed and the atonement that was an innocent life given for the life lost by Adam seen in the worship of Able. Those are seen by many but the atonement that is not seen by most is the one when God said to Cain, "if you see yourself doing poorly (having sinful thoughts) "sin lieth at the door".
This is another time sin appears as a noun and as a sin offering because the "door" in Hebrew is often used the same as the word "gate" often represents a passage going from the realm of the unclean into the realm of cleanness and righteousness with God. Therefore, what God was saying to Cain (and to us) was all Cain had to do was confess his sin and desire to be cleansed, then he could be cleansed through the atonement provided by God even though the laws of atonement were not given to Moses for another 1500 years (approximate)
Therefore this was a prophecy and a teaching for us to acquire seen in the words of Jesus when He said, "I stand at the door knock"
Also, Noah was already determining between clean versus unclean animals (long before the law was ever given) in an Ark representing Jesus as a "type and shadow" the same as the Ark of the Covenant
Couple of more things
When David said "purge me with hyssop" was because hyssop was a "verifuge" that is a word given to certain herbs that are considered suitable for the killing of a living indwelling parasite in humans that in this case was the sin he was conceived and shaped in as a unborn babe still in his mother's womb that was still in him 30 years later
Also, mandrakes are not for fruitfulness as most often taught but because the roots of the mandrake are a very powerful and violent laxative………… they represent the cleansing needed before one can bear fruit acceptable to God. It pays to study all of the Bible but most of all it pleases God who blesses us with the understanding of more of the Bible
If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them. What else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.
'Too many people try to divorce God’s love from His justice. Sure, He demands and requires justice. But tell me, how could torturing someone endlessly, even for the most grievous behaviors over the course of eighty years, be considered fair? Paul plainly states in Romans 11:32: “For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.” Apparently, the same “all” who have been locked up in disobedience will be shown mercy. Perfect justice demands a loving, restorative remedy for all sin because, even though much of Christianity doesn’t teach it this way, we were all created inherently flawed and “shut up in disobedience.” Mankind was basically “set up” for utter failure, perhaps in order to learn what can be learned no other way. Many churches today teach that the fall of Adam and Eve was basically “Plan B.” Adam and Eve, they say, were created perfect, were intended to stay perfect, and God was merely doing “damage control” by setting in motion a solution for their unexpected sin. But if Plan B is even possible, and God did not fully plan out and expect what went down in the Garden ahead of time, and if God threw His hands up helplessly because of man’s “free will,” what’s to keep His creation from necessitating a Plan C, or a Plan D? If God really must work around the “free will” of humans, what’s to keep man from messing up the plan continuously? Nothing could be more off-base than saying that Adam and Eve “messed up Plan A.” The fall of Adam was Plan A all along. Adam and Eve were created to fall, and it appears they were created mortals, not immortals, because Adam was formed out of dust. Dust is not the stuff of immortality; it is the composition of temporal clay. Even the name “Adam,” secondarily means “earth” (as in soil or dirt) in Hebrew. There’s a God-made law in the Torah that sums up Plan A, whereby God takes responsibility for the fallen state of His own creation: “If a man digs a pit and does not cover it over, and an ox or a donkey falls into it, the owner of the pit shall make restitution” (Ex. 21:33–34). In his book, Free Will, Bible teacher Stephen Jones explains this law of liability:
'The liability here is based upon ownership. If a man digs a pit and does not take the necessary steps to cover it and an ox comes along and falls in by his own free will or by his own stupidity, guess who is liable according to God’s law? This is the law that sets the standard of liability. It is the owner of the pit who is liable, and he must then buy the dead ox for himself. In applying the spirit of this law to Adam’s situation in the garden, God is both the owner of the pit and the owner of the ox (Adam). First, God dug a pit, because He created an opportunity for Adam to sin. God did not cover this pit in that He created Adam with the potential to sin and created a tree of knowledge, putting it within Adam’s reach. He did not build a ten-foot fence around that tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created an opportunity for Adam (the ox) to fall into the pit (sin and death). That made God legally liable by His own law and created a ‘tension’ that demanded a resolution. Could God have prevented man from sinning? Of course He could have. He did not have to plant the tree in the first place, or if He did, He did not have to omit the fence. Even then, He did not have to create a tempter and allow him entrance into the garden. The fact is that God knew the end from the beginning. He was not taken by surprise. He dug that pit and left it uncovered because He had a plan, and the plan called for man to fall. And so he did. By God’s own liability laws, then, He is responsible. So what did God do about it? He sent His only begotten Son who was lifted up on the cross in order to drag all men to Himself (John 12:32). He paid for the sin of the whole world because all of creation became subject to death through Adam’s fall. He bought the dead ox. The ox is now His.'. '
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