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Originally Posted by Vizio
My views or your views are irrelevant. It's what God has said about himself that is relevant.
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And since He's not standing there talking to you directly and giving all this instruction, you don't KNOW what He has to say about Himself.
He's God; if He wanted to literally say anything, He'd stand there for everyone to see, and say it, plain and simple, and when people had questions about whatever He'd said, He'd be able to answer them. Not in an old perhaps poorly translated, then interpreted colloquially, etc. piece of scripture or the eternal beauty of a flower but with, you know, words. It's God. It could surely manage to pull that off. If an all-powerful God were to say "Let me have a human-like mouth and vocal cords," surely it would happen. N'est-ce pas?
What you feel "God has to say about Himself" is from
words written by men, and chauvinistic, warring, backward, frequently vengeful, frightened ancient men ** at that. Followed by a game-change once people were very logically beginning to question their God in earnest - a real human, at least according to stories not written until MUCH later than he lived, despite the fact that not only could his direct disciples probably write, but Jesus himself could he certainly write (having read and argued the Torah), and surely could many of the people just supposedly standing there and listening to him talk could write. Now things were altered a bit...still imperfectly and still with plenty of holes that cropped up immediately but altered...and now THAT'S the "real" word of God directly from God Himself..hmmmmm.
Yeah, none of this is fishy.
Gotta be true...
** Not disrespecting Bronze Age peoples, I am actually fascinated by ancient cultures all around the globe and in all time periods. But it is what it is. The Bible is a very, very outwardly, obviously product of its times and locale. Which just by some crazy coincidence happened to place the one true God dead-center of where the men who were writing about Him lived, with those people the chosen people...Yeah, go figure, because that's never been done in any other religion.
Sigh.
ETA: Yikes. I didn't realize this had been moved to the Christianity forum. For some reason I thought it was in the R&S forum...? I have been answering from links in heads-up emails so didn't notice "where" I was. I don't know if the above is okay to post in Xtianity specifically. If not, sorry. However...I definitely am writing from a position of honesty.
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Unless you can explain why you are chosen while others are not and end up eternally tormented because they are not chosen, you will not be taken seriously by me.
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But you know why, pcamps.
We all know why.
It's the same reason most if not all fundies (IMO - I haven't personally met every fundie on earth) "have to" believe
without question (that "without question" is very important, really thinking logically about all this makes it crumble) that they're of the "absolutely tiny!" percentage of saved.
Because the alternate possibility - that everyone who has humiliated them, cut them off in traffic, everyone who was ever mean to their kids, the bullies who beat them up on the playground, the humiliating bosses, the humiliating logical non-fundies - will NOT burn satisfyingly, complete with agonized screams, for their transgressions against said fundie personally, is absolutely, literally unbearable.
A fundie will pretend he has a larger outlook, and purpose. In reality his purpose is far tinier than the average person's. Because despite lip service on cue with cherry-picked Bible verses, he is thinking about
just him...just his incredible reward; punishments against people who have offended
just him personally.
Life HAS TO be fair...it has to be...and "fair" means the person making himself that "small percentage" has all his good deeds (actually, just one - accepting Christ "the right way") are (is) rewarded richly, while all h
is own transgressions, perhaps as bad as all those people he can't wait to see, hear and smell burn, do just that...screaming and begging all the way.
Ahhhhhhhhh good times.
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