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Not so ... read it carefully next time.
The three powers are
sin
death
and the power of the Devil
hint:
then the saying that is written will come true:
“Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
[1]The sting of death is sin, and [2] the power of sin is the law.
[3]Since the children have flesh and blood, he [God\Jesus] too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil
How can a God die????? What would be the point of a God dying??? How could it have anything to do with us????
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Not so ... read it carefully next time.
The three powers are
sin
death
and the power of the Devil
hint:
then the saying that is written will come true:
“Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
[1]The sting of death is sin, and [2] the power of sin is the law.
[3]Since the children have flesh and blood, he [God\Jesus] too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil
I thought sin was the cause of death. Do you mean death is the cause of sin?? Are you suggesting that the Devil has more power than God so God had to engage in this circuitous and roundabout process to defeat him??? You mean that God couldn't simply be like Capt. Jean-Luc Picard and say "Make it so!" He actually had to pretend to die through His surrogate Jesus???? I still don't see how this in any way whatsoever has anything to do with us. (Of course, I DO know the supposed narrative that produced the "precepts and doctrines of men" you follow but I find it ludicrous in the extreme.)
Did you read the OP? I never said Jesus did nothing socially. I said that His purpose for filling people's physical needs was for people's spiritual deliverance.
And what I was getting at is that it is Pharasaical to attempt spiritual deliverance while ignoring physical needs.
Both may go hand in hand, but for the mother with a starving child, she will feel blessed with the needed food whether or not there is a "sermon" afterwards.
And in the case of the Salvation Army, to whom I no longer donate, many of their facilities require the homeless and hungry to hear the sermon FIRST (sit in a hard pew or chair with their stomachs growling or shivering because they could use a cup of coffee) BEFORE getting the help that Jesus would have provided in a heartbeat.
And what I was getting at is that it is Pharasaical to attempt spiritual deliverance while ignoring physical needs.
Both may go hand in hand, but for the mother with a starving child, she will feel blessed with the needed food whether or not there is a "sermon" afterwards.
And in the case of the Salvation Army, to whom I no longer donate, many of their facilities require the homeless and hungry to hear the sermon FIRST (sit in a hard pew or chair with their stomachs growling or shivering because they could use a cup of coffee) BEFORE getting the help that Jesus would have provided in a heartbeat.
I don't understand how any of what you said counters my premise. Who said anything about ignoring physical needs? Regarding the underlined above, yes - they go hand in hand. And regardless of how people feel when they receive help, Jesus' intent is on our spiritual deliverance.
The main premise is that many people believe Jesus solely helped people for social issues and physical needs, when that is not the case. His help was always with a view towards spiritual deliverance. The reason He died for us was for our spiritual deliverance.
Sometimes I think you are being contrary just to be contrary, because you have categorized me in a certain way.
So, basically, it is just a matter of emphasis. I think you will not deny Warden's point about requiring indoctrination before aid is given in all too many applications?
So, basically, it is just a matter of emphasis. I think you will not deny Warden's point about requiring indoctrination before aid is given in all too many applications?
I have nothing to do what Warden's point. I never said anything like that.
Do you want compliance? Sure - he's right... but that was never part of the premise.
I have nothing to do what Warden's point. I never said anything like that.
Do you want compliance? Sure - he's right... but that was never part of the premise.
Let me put it this way then: I believe that the spiritual well-being of the person giving aid requires a concern for the physical well-being of the person receiving it and not just a condition that allows an opportunity for proselyting.
Let me put it this way then: I believe that the spiritual well-being of the person giving aid requires a concern for the physical well-being of the person receiving it and not just a condition that allows an opportunity for proselyting.
O... K...
For followers of Christ, you don't put limitations on what you will and won't do (other than sinful actions).
I am discussing intent and the final goal, not methods. Ultimately, believers should follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit. If that means proselyting after giving aid, then that's what you do. If it means being quiet and listening to the receiver of aid, then that's what you do.
For followers of Christ, you don't put limitations on what you will and won't do (other than sinful actions).
I am discussing intent and the final goal, not methods. Ultimately, believers should follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit. If that means proselyting after giving aid, then that's what you do. If it means being quiet and listening to the receiver of aid, then that's what you do.
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