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Old 02-04-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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Ok Now I have actually read through the constitution...its very interesting....you know whats even more interesting there is no explicit mention of Christianity ANYWHERE in the constitution.

Jesus, Bible, Christianity, Church, Crucifixion, Cross none of those words appear anywhere.

I for one would think if we were really founded on Judeo-christian principles they would be something more explicitly stating so.

When I see religion mention in the Constitution I see the word NO before it.

"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." It is physically impossible to not understand this. Our founding father were highly intelligent individuals You would think they would say something like NO religious Test as long as its Christianity or something. instead they said NO

The second time:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Again No law establishing a religion...seriously its plain text, how hard is it to figure it out? Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; again it is my freedom to question the validity of the bible, or Jesus or be one with nature and worship tress or believe the flying spaghetti monster boiled for my sins...that is my free exercise...again I ask if we are "so christian" why didn't the framers say something like no establishment of a christian sect. i.e. Lutheran over Catholics or baptist over protestant? instead it was left pretty open...no establishment of religion

People like to point to the right to bear and keep arms (i am pro-gun for the record) as explicitly stating the right to own a firearm in the constitution and not open for interpretation, fine I'll give you that but by the same logic the words NO religious test or No establishment of religion without ANY footnote for Christianity is pretty explicit that we are a SECULAR COUNTRY as well.
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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There's also no mention of Jesus or God in the Federalist Papers either. There's only one mention of Christianity, and that was a historical reference to the Germanic tribes.

In truth, when you try to make Christianity the establishment faith, Christianity suffers. After all, most of the countries in Europe collect tithes on behalf of the Lutheran, Catholic and Anglican church. I'm not sure anyone would call those societies more Christian than the United States.
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Old 02-04-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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Yes God is indeed in the USA Constitution right at the bottom of the page of the Constitution it says .......``Attest William Jackson Secretary ...done in Convention by the Unanimous consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the YEAR OF THE LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United states of America the Twelfth In Witness..........``...............See this happened 1787 years after the birth of Lord Jesus Christ
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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Good try but read this

"The Year of Our Lord" and separation.

It's how they did things back then..plus an ambiguous wording does not make us a "Christian nation"

Specific amendments were put in place to make us secular stating no religious test or establishment of religion...that's infinitely more important that some wording that was the norm in Europe which the founding fathers were
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Old 03-14-2016, 12:35 AM
 
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I have read many sources and come to the conclusion that this country was not founded as a "Christian nation" and the founders intended this country to be a nation of religious freedom. The founders were incredible for their foresight in this regard.

The founders were freethinkers. Men of the enlightenment. There were many deists and Unitarians. The did not want to see this country end up like Europe, torn apart by religious strife.

George Washington's Letter to the Hebrew Congregation at Newport makes it clear: "May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants — while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid."

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. Many other sources make this conclusion undeniable.
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Old 03-14-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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Yes God is indeed in the USA Constitution right at the bottom of the page of the Constitution it says .......``Attest William Jackson Secretary ...done in Convention by the Unanimous consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the YEAR OF THE LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United states of America the Twelfth In Witness..........``...............See this happened 1787 years after the birth of Lord Jesus Christ
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796

Here is the text of the treaty John Adams negotiated with the Barbary Pirates. Mind you, this was a delegation picked and sent by George Washington. The treaty was ratified unanimously by the Senate. I call your attention to Article 11:

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Awfully strange wording for a country that was supposedly founded on the bedrock of Christianity, isn't it? Especially when the treated was greeted with acclaim by a Senate and Administration filled with the very men who fought the Revolution and wrote the Constitution? You'd think that someone might have said something.
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Old 03-14-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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dannyboy84 - I agree Christianity is not mentioned. What's your point? ... or are you just sharing information?
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Old 03-14-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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dannyboy84 - I agree Christianity is not mentioned. What's your point? ... or are you just sharing information?
My guess is that he is RIGHTLY saying that wanting to have laws passed based entirely on religious beliefs is unconstitutional.
As I said in a previous thread, it doesn't matter what a Presidential nominee believes. He or she can't make any law based on his or her religious beliefs. It doesn't matter if the President is a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Mormon, or whatever. They ALL have to act like atheists.
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Old 03-14-2016, 03:24 PM
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My guess is that he is RIGHTLY saying that wanting to have laws passed based entirely on religious beliefs is unconstitutional.
As I said in a previous thread, it doesn't matter what a Presidential nominee believes. He or she can't make any law based on his or her religious beliefs. It doesn't matter if the President is a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Mormon, or whatever. They ALL have to act like atheists.
Good luck with that (bolded above). Many (most? all?) US presidents have prayed for wisdom & guidance.
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Old 03-14-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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dannyboy84 - I agree Christianity is not mentioned. What's your point? ... or are you just sharing information?
The point is: Trying to make God's laws into human laws to be enforced by us is Satanic because it removes the voluntary compliance God requires. What about that do you would-be dictators NOT understand????
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