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Old 02-15-2016, 06:16 AM
 
Location: New England
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Until you know Jesus you know nothing………… other than the fact you have not received any atonement for your many sins
Is there a difference between knowing the bible and knowing Jesus? If yes, what is the difference?.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Is there a difference between knowing the bible and knowing Jesus? If yes, what is the difference?.
Either He is in me and I am in Him……… or not!

If He is in me He will prove Himself stong on my behalf answering prayers with signs and wonders that can only be done by God

And He does !!!!!!!!!!!!

This is faith with works !!!!!!!!

You say you have faith?

Then prove your faith to me through the works God has done though you…………. then I will belive He is in you

Witnessed GOD healing any terminally ill persons lately?

Have you ever witnessed a dead person raised back to life

I have but I question if you have?

Show show me your faith by works says both James and myself……………. Fair enough?

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

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Old 02-15-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Until Moses was done being prepared for the job of leading them, God did nothing for the sufferings of all the people no matter how hard they cried to God.
And you get this from where?...

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Same thing with the church today crying for God to intervene but until those who are being prepared are through being prepared, God is not going to do anything
So...What is it that you think they are being prepared for?...

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The Jews in bondage to their flesh in Egypt are a prophecy of the church today still in bondage to their flesh and still in need of leaders who can hear and will obey God………. not like the pastors who have led the church for the last 1900 years but like what a modern day Moses would do
First of all, the JEWS were never in Egypt...And the rest of what you said is just a bunch of analogous BS...

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(This is why of the seven times pastors are spoken of in the OT, only once were they spoken of being acceptable to God (Jeremiah speaking for himself does not count because the prophecy is about the latter days
There are no such thing as PASTORS in the Tanakh...Where in the world are you getting your theological education from?...

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First you need to acknowledge your sins and your need for Jesus to save you from whatever judgement you are deserving of…………..
And what sins may that be?...I mean since Torah has been done away with and we are under Grace, what sins could I be guilty of?...Really...

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eventually you will bow before Him the same as everyone else will
For everything written in the New Testament there should be support in the Tanakh regarding it...Show me...


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Then you can start your journey to the real promise land, not the OT one that was only a prophecy of what is to come in the latter days
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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Until you know Jesus you know nothing………… other than the fact you have not received any atonement for your many sins
Oh...Dear LS, you really have no clue who you are talking to...
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Old 02-15-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Either He is in me and I am in Him……… or not!
He's not...
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If He is in me He will prove Himself stong on my behalf answering prayers with signs and wonders that can only be done by God

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And He does !!!!!!!!!!!!
You mind may THINK that he does...

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This is faith with works !!!!!!!!
No...It is not faith with works...

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You say you have faith?
Yes...

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Then prove your faith to me through the works God has done though you…………. then I will belive He is in you
That is not what is meant in James...And James explains what true faith is...


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Witnessed GOD healing any terminally ill persons lately?
No...And neither have you...Even if you have gone to a Benny Hinn show...

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Have you ever witnessed a dead person raised back to life
No...And neither have you...If so...Who?...Where?...I want to talk to this person...Then, maybe i'll believe the BS that you are shoveling...

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I have but I question if you have?
No...You haven't...And you know that...

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Show show me your faith by works says both James and myself……………. Fair enough?


James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Again...Quoting James proves nothing...Because what he actually says does not line up with what you are stating...It's like the Pentecostals that claim if you can't speak in tongues then you are not really saved and are still headed straight for hell...
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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And you get this from where?...



So...What is it that you think they are being prepared for?...



First of all, the JEWS were never in Egypt...And the rest of what you said is just a bunch of analogous BS...



There are no such thing as PASTORS in the Tanakh...Where in the world are you getting your theological education from?...



And what sins may that be?...I mean since Torah has been done away with and we are under Grace, what sins could I be guilty of?...Really...



For everything written in the New Testament there should be support in the Tanakh regarding it...Show me...
Every thing you have said in both of your postsis pure Baloney………. and this is saying it VERY kindly as to not offend forum rules
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:36 AM
 
Location: New England
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Either He is in me and I am in Him……… or not!

If He is in me He will prove Himself stong on my behalf answering prayers with signs and wonders that can only be done by God

And He does !!!!!!!!!!!!

This is faith with works !!!!!!!!

You say you have faith?

Then prove your faith to me through the works God has done though you…………. then I will belive He is in you

Witnessed GOD healing any terminally ill persons lately?

Have you ever witnessed a dead person raised back to life

I have but I question if you have?

Show show me your faith by works says both James and myself……………. Fair enough?

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Very nice, but can you answer my question. Thanks.
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Old 02-15-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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Very nice, but can you answer my question. Thanks.
Do you understand what two becoming one is in the Bible?

It is what "knowing" someone in the Bible is all about!

What part of my words first said in my reply to you are not perfectly clear??? …..
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.Either He is in me and I am in Him……… or not!
My Father proves my faith through His works responding to prayers from me to Him, that I know Him, and He knows me

Fair enough?
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Old 02-15-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: New England
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Do you understand what two becoming one is in the Bible?

It is what "knowing" someone in the Bible is all about!

What part of my words first said in my reply to you are not perfectly clear??? …..

My Father proves my faith through His works responding to prayers from me to Him, that I know Him, and He knows me

Fair enough?
Two becoming one is when one of the two becomes aware that they were always one.

Is there a difference between knowing the bible and knowing Jesus?, if yes, what is the difference?.
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Old 02-15-2016, 05:11 PM
 
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Two becoming one is when one of the two becomes aware that they were always one.

Is there a difference between knowing the bible and knowing Jesus?, if yes, what is the difference?.
You can't tell the difference between a book and a living being? ...you know - actually having a relationship...
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