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Old 02-21-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Unfortunately for mankind, Eve dictated (ruled over) Adam whom if he had dismissed the desires of Eve would have remained obedient to God…………. instead Adam who was not deceived as Eve was preferred to keep his relationship with Eve more than he did with God

Satan attacks the Holy Spirit in Christians by tempting Eve who still lives on in Christians because she is the "weaker vessel" being influenced through the 5 senses instead of being obedient to who gave her life (Adam)
Thank you for doing God's work by driving people away from fundamentalist Christianity.
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Old 02-21-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Eh....
...don't sound so, surprised. (Big-grin)

Men have written lots of things that aren't true.
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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Thank you for doing God's work by driving people away from fundamentalist Christianity.
The truth drives a lot of people away
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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The truth drives a lot of people away
Your particular version of it sure does.
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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Your particular version of it sure does.


I don't see it exactly like Livelystone, but I would say that until people begin seeing Adam, Eve, and the most beautiful creature as being one single being, there will be a lot hidden.


Jesus told 3 of his disciples that they were speaking from their father Satan because Satan is a part of what we are. In your case, I would think you would want people to view the story of Genesis as a very esoteric story which is not meant to be taken literal.


I would also say that if somebody's opinion agrees with the average opinion amongst Christians then something is terribly wrong because when you find the truth, aint nobody going to agree, and if you are not despised and hated for what you believe, there is a problem. The world hates the ways of Jesus and so his disciples are also hated and despised. If you agree with the majority life will be easy, and if you take the path no one takes, life will be hard.
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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God help us all. What barf.
Your problem starts with not knowing the difference between spirit (Adam ,male) and soul (Eve, female)

Paul wrote to those who would understand that when he said the the "woman" must remain silent in the church is because the "woman; in question is the soul of ANY person and not the gender of ANY human being

It does not matter whether it is a woman or man delivering the message of the Holy Spirt Who is as male as Jesus was/is male no matter the gender of whomever person is called to deliver the word……….. Get it?

But then some here aleady knew you are not anywhere near as smart as you think you are

This verse is for enquiring minds on the subject

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

However these verses are especailly for you and some of the other bible bashers here who do not know their left from their right (saying it very kindly) about the things of God

2Pet.3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


As much as has been gone through to deliver God's Word to you in an easy to understand concise form, it does not seem to be enough to overcome satan's multiple successes in you
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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I don't see it exactly like Livelystone, but I would say that until people begin seeing Adam, Eve, and the most beautiful creature as being one single being, there will be a lot hidden.
Jesus told 3 of his disciples that they were speaking from their father Satan because Satan is a part of what we are. In your case, I would think you would want people to view the story of Genesis as a very esoteric story which is not meant to be taken literal.
I would also say that if somebody's opinion agrees with the average opinion amongst Christians then something is terribly wrong because when you find the truth, aint nobody going to agree, and if you are not despised and hated for what you believe, there is a problem. The world hates the ways of Jesus and so his disciples are also hated and despised. If you agree with the majority life will be easy, and if you take the path no one takes, life will be hard.
Gospel writer Luke wrote Adam was literal - Luke 3:38

The Jewish ancestral list starts out with Adam as a real person at 1st Chronicles 1:1

Adam did Not mate with himself - Genesis 2:24
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Old 02-21-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Gospel writer Luke wrote Adam was literal - Luke 3:38

The Jewish ancestral list starts out with Adam as a real person at 1st Chronicles 1:1

Adam did Not mate with himself - Genesis 2:24
Adam was literal, he was and IS a part of all mankind just as Eve was AND IS. Jesus was born as the first born first fruit, a new son and he became a new Adam. He was the only person not born of Adam but he was of Eve, and so it is said,'' A man shall leave his father and his mother to cleave to his bride.'' This is a great mystery but I speak of Christ and the church.


Who is the mother and father that Jesus left to become one with a bride?


Adam was lain down in a sleep of death having his side pierced and from his side a bride came from his own body.
Jesus was lain down in a sleep of death having his side pierced and from his side came a bride from his own body.

Jesus became the NEW ADAM, and what does this mean that Jesus is a new Adam?




Is Jesus a part of you?




Jesus takes a bride by dying and the water and blood spilled out and these two witnesses are no less than his own bride. This is why 1 John 5 talks about the two witnesses, the water, the blood both testify and the spirit is the third witness. That water and that blood that spilled out of Jesus is his bride, from his own body a bride was brought out and here we are, the water and the blood.


So what does this say about the first Adam, and if there was a need for a new Adam, it only means that the old Adam is still present within us or there would be no need for a new one.


Gentiles are promised a betrothal that would redeem them into Israel as brides of Christ but I was born a man, and so how is it that I became a submissive virgin to the will of my betrothed? When Jesus came there is now 5 in a house, and son will hate the father and father the son, mother in law will hate the daughter in law and daughter in law will hate the mother in law? All this language about a betrothed, a daughter in law who hates the mother in law is what is taking place inside a person who becomes betrothed to Christ, and one has to hate his father, and his father will hate him. This person seeks a new marriage, a new family in God the father.




There are 7 feasts of Christ that teach a person how to die, and even how to be born again as a new child from a new betrothal and these things are hard to understand.


Looking at Passover is to die daily and you are trying to go all the way to a symbolic death, you go from the man who would be king to a submissive virgin who has become betrothed and you become a new person and Eve will hate you. You are betrothed never having known your Husband{THE NEW ADAM} but somehow a seed has been planted within you and there is a new birth, a living child within you whom you shall carry throughout your life, and you have been made keeper over the household of God to give his child meat in due season as a servant should.


We make a claim that Jesus is our betrothed, and he is within us as a marriage, and THIS IS THE NEW ADAM.






What does this say of the old Adam and the need for a new one?


Why do we need a new Adam?



I am just saying that there is much more to the story than most think, and when we look at one single day within the 6 days of creation, it is showing a 24 hour period as years.


Adam had to name every single creature, and this alone would have taken decades. Then he tilled the garden and began harvesting and harvest don't grow in a couple hours, but Adam remained in the garden keeping it and harvesting until God looked down on him and decided to put him in a sleep of death in order to take a bride from his side after this death, and Adam became a guiding spirit within his bride just as Jesus is a guiding spirit inside his bride.


The overcomers have this same promise, that if they overcome, they will rule on the nations and all the peoples but this is done from within people as Jesus is within all people and he does not share the rule.




So Genesis is showing Adam naming every living thing, then he is tilling and harvesting and then lain down in a sleep of death and a bride born all in a 24 hour period.


It is esoteric.
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Old 02-21-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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Nu uh. Nana nana booboo.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Thank you for doing God's work by driving people away from fundamentalist Christianity.

If what he posted is driving them away from fundamentalist Christianity, then for the love of HaShem, I say post MORE. Peace
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