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If there is to be a secret rapture of the Church, why then are the martyrs crying out for justice in Revelation 6 told to hang in there, because there number was not yet complete? If there is a secret rapture of the church, why are there still Christians being martyred?( In chapter 6)
There's two kingdoms, as I see it: the physical nation of Israel (aka- "can a nation be born in a day?" - hell yes!) And the spiritual kingdom of God, which is extant in heaven and coming in the earth. No need for a literal rapture and "second" anything there.
A 3rd world war is most likely, that will be the marker for change-over of epoch, into the manifest sons / body of Christ in the earth era. A thousand years after that, who knows what will happen.
This what I mean about an attitude favoring life ending war! Some people cannot wait to have it happen. Be careful of this attitude!
If there is to be a secret rapture of the Church, why then are the martyrs crying out for justice in Revelation 6 told to hang in there, because there number was not yet complete? If there is a secret rapture of the church, why are there still Christians being martyred?( In chapter 6)
Those people are not part of the Body of Christ, they are believers who live and are martyrs during the tribulation period. I don't think the rapture will be a secret other than when it will happen.
Those people are not part of the Body of Christ, they are believers who live and are martyrs during the tribulation period. I don't think the rapture will be a secret other than when it will happen.
Nope. Can't have it both ways. If believers are raptured outta here, then ALL believers are raptured outta here. But let's dissect what you said for a minute. How is a believer not a part of the Body? And how is it determined who gets raptured, and who gets to hang around for this Great Tribulation?
Nope. Can't have it both ways. If believers are raptured outta here, then ALL believers are raptured outta here. But let's dissect what you said for a minute. How is a believer not a part of the Body? And how is it determined who gets raptured, and who gets to hang around for this Great Tribulation?
Let's not forget the part that states that those who fell asleep in Christ shall be raptured first...And those of us who are left shall be caught up in the sky to meet them and shall evermore be...
Nope. Can't have it both ways. If believers are raptured outta here, then ALL believers are raptured outta here. But let's dissect what you said for a minute. How is a believer not a part of the Body? And how is it determined who gets raptured, and who gets to hang around for this Great Tribulation?
It's not both ways. The believers who came to Christ in this dispensation also called the Body of Christ will be ruptured out. At that time the prophetic timeline resumes and Israel will be offered their kingdom again. Many will accept and become believers and many will be killed during this time.
It's not both ways. The believers who came to Christ in this dispensation also called the Body of Christ will be ruptured out. At that time the prophetic timeline resumes and Israel will be offered their kingdom again. Many will accept and become believers and many will be killed during this time.
It's not both ways. The believers who came to Christ in this dispensation also called the Body of Christ will be ruptured out. At that time the prophetic timeline resumes and Israel will be offered their kingdom again. Many will accept and become believers and many will be killed during this time.
When you can back up that claim with Biblical text, I'll give it another look. Your idea assumes that God missed something, got something wrong, or otherwise failed in his venture with the nation of Israel. The idea that God has two chosen peoples is preposterous. It leaves too much to the imagination, and best selling fiction/fantasy like the Left Behind series is the result.
When you can back up that claim with Biblical text, I'll give it another look. Your idea assumes that God missed something, got something wrong, or otherwise failed in his venture with the nation of Israel. The idea that God has two chosen peoples is preposterous. It leaves too much to the imagination, and best selling fiction/fantasy like the Left Behind series is the result.
My idea in no way assumes that God missed something, got something wrong, or otherwise failed in his venture with the nation of Israel. In fact, my idea which I got from scripture shows just the opposite. God will finish with Israel in the future what He promised. Israel is God's "chosen" people who chose to reject their messiah so God went around them to bless all people with the Church, The body of Christ, and when this time is finished, God will restore Israel and continue on the prophetic path.
Israel cannot serve God as instructed without a temple. That will be restored.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Scripture say's they fell.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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