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Old 02-13-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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The dead *****Shall Rise First***** and those alive *****Shall Be Caught Up Together With Them***** 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18King James Version (KJV) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. By the way, the word "Then" indicates it happens after what was just mentioned. Hence "the dead rise first, and THEN those that are alive will be caught up in the air with those who have already rose and are in the air"
I agree. The dead rise first [from their grave] then, together with the changed living ones ascend together at the same time to meet the Lord in the air. It is an all together event, not a one-at-a-time event.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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Snowball, did you read what I wrote in post #60?
yes, why ? There is no rapture. The dead in Christ rising is part of the Second Coming,
it is not a separate event and it is certainly not before the Tribulation. Unfortunately
some Christians believe they will be spared the Tribulation due to the pre-trib "rapture"
distortion. Has anyone bothered to read the article I posted about the recent formation
of this pet theory ? It's less than 200 years old. The site is not Catholic either, if that
makes some of you feel better about it.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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We will ascend into the heavens just as Christ did.
And the heavens are beautiful, when seen for what they are.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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yes, why ? There is no rapture. The dead in Christ rising is part of the Second Coming,
it is not a separate event and it is certainly not before the Tribulation. Unfortunately
some Christians believe they will be spared the Tribulation due to the pre-trib "rapture"
distortion. Has anyone bothered to read the article I posted about the recent formation
of this pet theory ? It's less than 200 years old. The site is not Catholic either, if that
makes some of you feel better about it.
How can you ask 'Why'? I showed what the word 'Rapture' refers to in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The catching up of the church is what we call the rapture. If you deny the validity of the rapture then you have to reject what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Here, I'll repost it.

While the word 'rapture' is not found in the Bible, at least not in an English Bible, it is found in the Latin Bible where the word 'rapiemur' translates the Greek word ἁρπάζω - harpazó in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
1 Thess. 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Here is 1 Thess. 1:17 in Latin.
1 Thess. 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur *** illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper *** Domino erimus [Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata]
The asterisks are because the auto checker doesn't like the word 'c um.' Which is why I put a space between the 'c' and the 'u.'

harpazó --> rapiemur --> rapture = 'caught up.'

The event in which the church is caught up is what we call the rapture. To therefore claim that there is no rapture is either to not understand that the term 'rapture' refers to the event in 1 Thess. 4:17, or to simply not believe what Paul says.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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yes, why ? There is no rapture. The dead in Christ rising is part of the Second Coming,
it is not a separate event and it is certainly not before the Tribulation. Unfortunately
some Christians believe they will be spared the Tribulation due to the pre-trib "rapture"
distortion. Has anyone bothered to read the article I posted about the recent formation
of this pet theory ? It's less than 200 years old. The site is not Catholic either, if that
makes some of you feel better about it.
The article was wrong just as you are. Pauls letters are much older than 200 years as you claim. The bible teaches the rapture, it's as old as the revelation of the mystery itself. You don't have to accept it now, just wait and see. But if you choose to not go I do feel extremely sorry for you.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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While the word 'rapture' is not found in the Bible, at least not in an English Bible, it is found in the Latin Bible where the word 'rapiemur' translates the Greek word ἁρπάζω - harpazó in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
And, we know that the Latin is the correct interpretation.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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And, we know that the Latin is the correct interpretation.
You miss the point entirely. The Latin simply translates the Greek Word. The Greek word is ἁρπάζω - 'harpazo' which means to be caught up or snatched away. The word 'rapture' simply refers to the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 regardless of what name is given to it.
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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You miss the point entirely. The Latin simply translates the Greek Word. The Greek word is ἁρπάζω - 'harpazo' which means to be caught up or snatched away. The word 'rapture' simply refers to the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 regardless of what name is given to it.
Entirely … like that of the Latin word, aeternum and the Greek, aionios? (BIG GRIN)
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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How can you ask 'Why'? I showed what the word 'Rapture' refers to in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The catching up of the church is what we call the rapture. If you deny the validity of the rapture then you have to reject what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Here, I'll repost it.

While the word 'rapture' is not found in the Bible, at least not in an English Bible, it is found in the Latin Bible where the word 'rapiemur' translates the Greek word ἁρπάζω - harpazó in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
1 Thess. 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Here is 1 Thess. 1:17 in Latin.
1 Thess. 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur *** illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper *** Domino erimus [Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata]
The asterisks are because the auto checker doesn't like the word 'c um.' Which is why I put a space between the 'c' and the 'u.'

harpazó --> rapiemur --> rapture = 'caught up.'

The event in which the church is caught up is what we call the rapture. To therefore claim that there is no rapture is either to not understand that the term 'rapture' refers to the event in 1 Thess. 4:17, or to simply not believe what Paul says.
G726

ἁρπάζω
harpazō
har-pad'-zo
From a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
Total KJV occurrences: 13

rapiemur is latin for together, while rapiō is latin for:

Pronunciation[edit]
(Classical) IPA(key): /ˈra.pi.oː/

Verb[edit]

rapiō ‎(present infinitive rapere, perfect active rapuī, supine raptum); third conjugation iō-variant
1.I snatch, grab, carry off, abduct.


Soooo...
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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Entirely … like that of the Latin word, aeternum and the Greek, aionios? (BIG GRIN)
Alexander Thompson in his book "Whence Eternity" ALEXANDER THOMSON: Whence "Eternity"? goes over aeternum and aion.
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