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[quote=openmike;43074894]Let's get a number of things put in perspective :
The Pope not grasping the ramifications of open borders DID say he believes Trump is not a christian
To deny that is typical of the angelic nonsensical mindset of a Catholic . It's religion 101
All Popes are sinners!!!
Mike, every Catholic knows that all popes (and every other person as well including "saints") are sinners only redeemed by God's free grace through the sacrificial death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. the pope knows he is both a sinner and a servant of God just like the rest of us "working out his salvation in fear and trembling". FWIW, the doctrine of "papal infallibility" has NOTHING, zero, zip, nada to do with the pope being sinless (in fact he publically says he is a sinner as part of every mass he attends or celebrates---just like every other Catholic does at mass). additionally, "infallibility" does NOT make all (or even most) statements on every subject by the pope (including his recent statements on "walls" and those who build walls to keep immigrants out "not being Christians") somehow "true" or necessary for Catholics to believe or follow in any matter, shape, or form!!!
lest this become another knock down/drag out about justification by faith vs. works I would strongly suggest that interested parties read carefully the non-partisan Wikipedia article "sola fide" which gives the pro's and con's of the subject AND the catholic position INCLUDING significant quotes from the statements on same by the council of Trent mentioned by Vizio (and a LONG list of scripture quotes used for and against sola fide) and an exposition of the Catholic doctrine which MIGHT be summed up as "sola gratia" (salvation through GRACE alone).
in the peace of Christ.
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One has to examine the view of Catholicism as they hold to their tradition that they are the ONE TRUE
APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN church. By that " version" of the Nicene creed it eliminates all of we evangelicals and believers ( in the Son of Man) who shun that creed proclamation . So I believe Mr. Trump is Presbyterian and thereby a heathen ......really POPE Francis? This is how tradition can make one a victim of men origined religion full of baloney!!! Ref: Nicene creed
Has Trump ever stated or pretended to be a Christian? Isn't he married for the third or forth time, I can hardly imagine him to be a pious man. As long as he is honest and does not endorse immoral or antichristian politics as gay marriage and the like, I do not care if the is a Christian or not.
In my opinion politics is a dirty business and one should leave God out of it, I do not like when people like Ted Cruz exploit their faith whether it is genuine or not, if I were an American I would vote for Trump and couldn't care less what the pope approves or not.
Has Trump ever stated or pretended to be a Christian?
Yes. He states he's a Presbyterian and claims to be a Christian.
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Isn't he married for the third or forth time, I can hardly imagine him to be a pious man. As long as he is honest and does not endorse immoral or antichristian politics as gay marriage and the like, I do not care if the is a Christian or not.
Most Christians I know of doubt the sincerity of his faith, as well, based on his actions.
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In my opinion politics is a dirty business and one should leave God out of it, I do not like when people like Ted Cruz exploit their faith whether it is genuine or not, if I were an American I would vote for Trump and couldn't care less what the pope approves or not.
You haven't seen Trump try to pander to the Evangelicals? Really?
Even the Dems do it. How many times have you seen Hillary in a church? Or why did Obama sit in a racist black church for 20 years?
It's what politicians do. They want people to think they're one of us, so they come to where we are. That includes church, and it also includes the local pub.
He could be a universalist, because he said he never felt the need to ask for forgiveness. That would be line with UR-fundamentalism.
There you go misrepresenting universalists again. There is not a universalist on here that believes what you just said, and you know it, which makes you a very divisive person when you have been told numerous times what you just stated is not so . So what would it make him if he believed in eternal torment ?.
He could be a universalist, because he said he never felt the need to ask for forgiveness. That would be line with UR-fundamentalism.
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There you go misrepresenting universalists again. There is not a universalist on here that believes what you just said, and you know it, which makes you a very divisive person when you have been told numerous times what you just stated is not so . So what would it make him if he believed in eternal torment ?.
... all liars will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur - the one they created.
Yes it is, it controls the masses. There's nothing new under the sun. That which I greatly feared came upon me . Job 3:25 in other words think for yourself rather than letting the government(of fear) think for you.
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