Gays can't be leaders at church

[JViello]

Originally Posted by TwiloMike

Really? Odd that nature exhibits plenty of homosexuality if it's so unnatural.

Would you like some education in exchange for your ignorance?

Really? Got proof of this? I have loads of proof that homosexuals produce offspring and raise offspring or unfortunate or careless heterosexuals. Want to try that again?

Unless you have a video of two guys having a child or a pregnant man, you have no argument in this regard.

How can you say this:

Thanks for stating just how closed minded you are.

and follow it up with this close minded statement:

I couldn't care less about your God. I only care about how you and others that believe similarly to you affect my life.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

I agree that tolerance goes two-ways, and in the interest of tolerance, perhaps you can refrain from responding to this sort of post. After all, it was not about do you approve of homosexuality, but should I continue to go to my church? If I were the OP, I might be so upset I'd regret posting in the first place.

JViello is doing a great job of explaining to the OP the reasons why churches are not pro abomination.

I assume you are an adult, and I think the OP is a young man who is asking for some guidance. Guidance should be offered respectfully, and with some sense of sensitivity not off-putting or repeated quotes from the bible.

If someone has to ask an anonymous group whether or not they should go to church, I think there are deeper issues, and a possible agenda of accept any sin as okay mentality going on.

And you can roll your eyes all you wish, you have rarely shown any consideration for anyone who differs with you on this subject and several others.

thanks that was nice....

godspeed,

freedom

[JViello]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

I agree that tolerance goes two-ways, and in the interest of tolerance, perhaps you can refrain from responding to this sort of post. After all, it was not about do you approve of homosexuality, but should I continue to go to my church? If I were the OP, I might be so upset I'd regret posting in the first place.

You might want to check my original post which was on topic and responding to the OP before TwiloMike went after me.

No really...have a look before you judge me. It started here:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/2775406-post26.html

So WHO can't control their "urges" here?

[freedom]

Originally Posted by TwiloMike

Really? Odd that nature exhibits plenty of homosexuality if it's so unnatural.

They also eat their young, care to get involved in that as well?

Would you like some education in exchange for your ignorance?

It is so rare, it is not worth noting... Man=Animal?...I guess some people stoop down to the animal nature, I don't reccommend it as a lifestyle.

Really? Got proof of this? I have loads of proof that homosexuals produce offspring and raise offspring or unfortunate or careless heterosexuals. Want to try that again?

Not without a lab... and a sorcery style system.

Thanks for stating just how closed minded you are.

Brilliant... the old, you don't agree with me, so you must be closed minded argument...

Keep your head in the sand, just don't act surprised when the sun burns your ass.

Ohhh, another one, they keep coming...

I couldn't care less about your God. I only care about how you and others that believe similarly to you affect my life.

Why do you care what someone believes? How does it affect your life. Can you not have sodomy? Is someone stopping you?

godspeed,

freedom

[TheDragonslayer]

Question, Jviello, have you ever had sex that was not for procreation only? I know for sure that my mom had sex that was not for procreation, though you would think that is all that she did it for. My mom was a devout catholic and believed that any kind of birth control was a sin. My poor mom [ financially ] got pregnant at least 10 times from the age of 17 to 31, she had 5 boys and 2 girls and lost 2 in miss carriages and a set of twins in another. My mom could barely feed the six of us she successfully raised and there was a lot we missed out on because the church told her that abstinence in marriage was a sin as well as any kind of birth control. She got her tubes tied at 31 because the church said it was reservable and acceptable.

I think that if a couple are in a monogamous relationship regardless of their orientation, then they are not sinning. I also feel that if god created us, why would he make some different if he did not intend on it. Supposedly, God does not make mistakes, everything and everybody he created is for a reason and it is not for us to judge why, but to live our lives by the Golden Rule.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by JViello

This one is pretty simple thirsty. I know you like to argue for the sake of arguing but this ones pretty cut and dry.

Pot and Kettle meet. Pot calls Kettle black. Hello Pot.

Originally Posted by JViello

If a certain lifestyle (Adultery, fornication, homosexuality etc) is not pleasing to God, we should not live in it...that's pretty obvious.

Still doesn't answer the question.

We are all sinners.. and in God's eyes all that sin is equal since we all fall short.. So why not Gay ministers? IF you think its a choice then they should be able to preach because every sin we do is ultimately a choice.. since we have free will.

[NSHL10]

Since Jesus said its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God, I guess that means the rich person is living in a state of sin. So are Robertson, and all the other teleevangelist church leaders hypocrites then? Why is being gay considered a worse sin when deciding who can be a leader or not?

[freedom]

Originally Posted by TheDragonslayer

Question, Jviello, have you ever had sex that was not for procreation only? I know for sure that my mom had sex that was not for procreation, though you would think that is all that she did it for. My mom was a devout catholic and believed that any kind of birth control was a sin. My poor mom [ financially ] got pregnant at least 10 times from the age of 17 to 31, she had 5 boys and 2 girls and lost 2 in miss carriages and a set of twins in another. My mom could barely feed the six of us she successfully raised and there was a lot we missed out on because the church told her that abstinence in marriage was a sin as well as any kind of birth control. She got her tubes tied at 31 because the church said it was reservable and acceptable.

It sounds like it all worked out, and Her faith increased. We are not here on a perpetual block party...We have things to learn, and things to test our metal...

I think that if a couple are in a monogamous relationship regardless of their orientation, then they are not sinning. I also feel that if god created us, why would he make some different if he did not intend on it. Supposedly, God does not make mistakes, everything and everybody he created is for a reason and it is not for us to judge why, but to live our lives by the Golden Rule.

You would be wrong on that, Scripture clearly states that it is an abomination.
God does not create sin. There is spiritual wickedness that preys upon our weaknesses every moment of our lives, until we choose the right. Choose to overcome the flesh, and follow the teachings of the Master.
The Golden rule is far from the completion that is necessary for righteousness, and does not include accepting immorallity as okay.

What people do is between them and God. If someone wants to discuss whether or not a Gay should be a Priest, well... let them start their own church, rather than create a stir that goes against a church that does not agree.

godspeed,

freedom

[elston]

Originally Posted by freedom

It sounds like it all worked out, and Her faith increased. We are not here on a perpetual block party...We have things to learn, and things to test our metal...


You would be wrong on that, Scripture clearly states that it is an abomination.
God does not create sin. There is spiritual wickedness that preys upon our weaknesses every moment of our lives, until we choose the right. Choose to overcome the flesh, and follow the teachings of the Master.
The Golden rule is far from the completion that is necessary for righteousness, and does not include accepting immorallity as okay.

What people do is between them and God. If someone wants to discuss whether or not a Gay should be a Priest, well... let them start their own church, rather than create a stir that goes against a church that does not agree.

godspeed,

freedom

Scripture clearly states that a pork chop or a polyesther suit are also an abomination and that we must stone McCain and Giuliani and Gingrich; and that our farmers need to let their fields lie fallow every few years. Your shrimp cocktail is an abomination, easter ham is an abomination and I believe you are commanded to marry your brother's widow and bring her into your home as your second wife.

You best be giving your jewelry and money to the poor and when did you last visit the prisons?

[ontheroad]

I think I'll temporarily close the thread until the Christianity Moderators can review it--it is so off-topic and getting shrill.