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Old 02-26-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I agree. The Bible says that he who "endures to the end" will be saved. Of course there's that little matter of what it actually means to be "saved," and there's quite a range of opinions on that.

Context... that phrase was never given to the church. That was stated to the Jews. The time frame reference was at the end of the age.
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:34 AM
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Location: The Haunted Mansion
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And a split second of belief cancels out the remainder of a life lived with no desire to actually live in accordance to Christ's commandments?
Was that decision genuine (from the heart; Romans 10:9-10), if it did not result in a life lived for Christ?
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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Sure. When He judges you upon your death.
No. He tells us through the Holy Spirit (who resides in us) while we are here.

Romans 8:16 - The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.

1 John 5:10 - The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself

Do you understand the whole dynamic of one's relationship with God?
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:39 AM
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OK - does God inform us of His "decision"?
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Sure. When He judges you upon your death.
We have already been judged. Read John 3. When we believe in Jesus' redemptive work, we are saved. The only thing Christians will be judged on is their works post-salvation. See 1 Cor. 3.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Death is not "the end," for starters. Some people never got the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ during their lifetimes. You can't very well "endure to the end" before even having the chance to get started on the path.
What is the end, and what happens to those who failed to endure?
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Emmaus, PA
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No. He tells us through the Holy Spirit (who resides in us) while we are here.

Romans 8:16 - The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.

1 John 5:10 - The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself

Do you understand the whole dynamic of one's relationship with God?
So YOU can believe that you will be going to Heaven, regardless of how many sins that you commit.
That is nonsense.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Context... that phrase was never given to the church. That was stated to the Jews. The time frame reference was at the end of the age.
Oh my gosh. The explanations that people come up with never cease to amaze me. Everything Jesus said was to the Jews! How do you decide which commandments you want to try to wiggle out of?
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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So YOU can believe that you will be going to Heaven, regardless of how many sins that you commit.
That is nonsense.
Yes.

It is not on the basis of sins that a person "goes to heaven".

You don't become part of God's family of faith by counting sins. That does not say that God does not care whether or not we sin. He wants us to reflect Himself.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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Indeed. The legal status of 'married' is not needed in God's sight - he's looking at people's hearts and where and with whom they sleep. However, the ceremony side of it and public nature of a wedding is emotionally important, but it isn't enough to sustain commitment in a marriage - only love can do that.

I pray that God brings those of us in the household of faith, who are able to love and be Christ to LGBT folks, into contact with them.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Was that decision genuine (from the heart; Romans 10:9-10), if it did not result in a life lived for Christ?
You tell me, 'cause from where I'm sitting it sounds kind of like a "Which came first -- the chicken or the egg?" kind of question. You'd probably say that a decision wasn't genuine would not result in a life lived for Christ. But if I were to say that we must live our lives for Christ in order to ultimately be sanctified, people are going to accuse me of believing in a "works-based salvation." Do you believe because you're converted to a life of Christian service or are you converted to a life of Christian service because you believe?
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