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Old 03-30-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Noe many females teaching in the church today..why is that?

Mainly because not many of them are seeking Him for Truth, either knowingly or unknowingly, choosing to remain in bondage to the carnal minds of men, and their own carnal minds. Peace

 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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Mainly because not many of them are seeking Him for Truth, either knowingly or unknowingly, choosing to remain in bondage to the carnal minds of men, and their own carnal minds. Peace
You have some blame the victim BS going on there. The words choice and bondage seem to be at odds in that sentence as well. How do you see the role as a young female child in that situation where they are being instructed that they are lesser? Is that 5 girl choosing to be taught that her purpose in life is to be subservient to a man? How would you suggest she choose differently?
 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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Now you know one (SB)! We're not so bad, really.
I never said you were bad.

After thinking about it I realized I did know a SB. We worked together and he led a lunch time Bible study I attended for many years. Nice guy.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm Southern Baptist, the height of fundamentalism!

Actually, our church administrator is a woman. That probably won't satisfy you, but it might make you feel better to know some people left our church when our pastor hired her. That was 21 years ago.
Did you know that Jimmy Carter was a Southern Baptist and left? This issue was a large part of the reason.


Jimmy Carter Leaves Southern Baptists - ABC News


this link has access to his speeches.


Jimmy Carter's essay on quitting church is suddenly viral - Religion News Service
 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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You have some blame the victim BS going on there. The words choice and bondage seem to be at odds in that sentence as well. How do you see the role as a young female child in that situation where they are being instructed that they are lesser? Is that 5 girl choosing to be taught that her purpose in life is to be subservient to a man? How would you suggest she choose differently?

If there is blame the victim, it is as all of us are victims of the lies told by our carnal minds or the carnal minds of others. A child has no choice.

I said chose referring to an adult capacity to chose to study the Word, or not. The Word is what is freeing, the Spirit of it gives life and defines our true identity, which is why it says our life is hid in Christ.

The Word is also like an ocean, only it doesn't have a "bottom". There are people who only splash in the shallow part, there are those that swim on the surface, and there are those who keep on diving down deeper and deeper. Peace
 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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If there is blame the victim, it is as all of us are victims of the lies told by our carnal minds or the carnal minds of others. A child has no choice.

I said chose referring to an adult capacity to chose to study the Word, or not. The Word is what is freeing, the Spirit of it gives life and defines our true identity, which is why it says our life is hid in Christ.

The Word is also like an ocean, only it doesn't have a "bottom". There are people who only splash in the shallow part, there are those that swim on the surface, and there are those who keep on diving down deeper and deeper. Peace
When these cons get ahold of people when they are kids they can shape their world. The social pressure of the group does the rest. People don't chose because they don't know they have a choice. If you tell a female over and over that God wants them to be submissive then reinforce that with the social circle how is she to know? That person then has to go against God and there entire social network. Even if they have the determination to do that they face serious repercussions.


So maybe you are right that they have a choice. your post sounded a bit dismissive of what that choice entailed. Have fun deep sea diving.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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Not at all intended that way. Peace
 
Old 03-30-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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Mainly because not many of them are seeking Him for Truth, either knowingly or unknowingly, choosing to remain in bondage to the carnal minds of men, and their own carnal minds. Peace
Probably WRONG...Many women would love to have an opportunity to teach in the church..


The quick answer - Not Enough! Honestly, no one knows for sure and it would be next to impossible to actually count the number. However, survey estimates consistently find that right around 10% of American congregations have a female as their senior or sole ordained leader.

The longer answer - The Faith Communities Today 2010 national survey of a fully representative, multi-faith sample of 11,000 American congregations found that 12% of all congregations in the United States had a female as their senior or sole ordained leader. For Oldline Protestant congregations this jumps to 24%, and for Evangelical congregations it drops to 9%.

Several traditions, of course, do not ordain women (e.g., Roman Catholic) and in some traditions the leader of a congregation is a non-ordained, ‘volunteer” (e.g., Mormon). The congregations of such traditions are included among the FACT2010 congregations without a female as head or senior religious leader.

Wave 1 (1998) of the National Congregations Survey found that 10% of its overall sample had a female as head or senior religious leader; Wave 2 (2006) found 8%. The 2001 Pulpit and Pew survey of American pastors found that 12% were female, this jumping to 20% for Oldline Protestant congregations and dropping to around 2% for Evangelical. A 2009 Barna survey reports that 10% of Protestant congregations are led by females, and the 2008 Mainline Protestant Clergy Voice Survey found that 20% of Oldline Protestant congregations were led by females.

None of these congregational surveys track the gender of ordained female clergy that might serve as associate or assistant pastors, and it must also be remembered that ordained female clergy can serve in roles other than as pastoral leader. Common wisdom is that one would find slightly higher percentages of female clergy in such roles.

A more historic picture:

According to a study done in the mid 1990's by Barbara Brown Zikmund, Adair Lummis and Patricia Chang there are 16,321 female clergy in 15 Mainline and conservative Protestant denominations. This means that roughly 12 percent of clergy in those denominations are female.



What percentage of pastors are female?
 
Old 03-30-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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Probably RIGHT.....the Spirit always makes room for the gift. Meaning if the gift is there, HE intends to use it. Peace
 
Old 03-31-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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Not at all intended that way. Peace
Maybe in the future you should be more careful that you say exactly what you intend.
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